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Felt Soled Boots and Waders outlawed in Vermont Felt Soled Boots and Waders outlawed in Vermont

The use of felt-soled waders or boots in Vermont waters is prohibited starting April 1, 2011. The Vermont legislature enacted the new law to help curb the spread of aquatic invasive species such as whirling disease of fish and didymo

TERBURY, Vt - Anglers, hunters, trappers and others who wade in Vermont's streams and lakes will be helping to protect our natural resources by paying close attention to their foot gear. The use of felt-soled waders or boots in Vermont waters is prohibited starting April 1, 2011.

The Vermont legislature enacted the new law to help curb the spread of aquatic invasive species such as whirling disease of fish and didymo, a microscopic algae more commonly known as "rock snot."

Originally native to the most northern reaches of Europe, Asia, and North America, didymo has recently been found in many new locations throughout the U.S., Canada and around the world. In some of these new environments, didymo has formed nuisance blooms and dense mats several inches thick that carpet stream bottoms.

"In some cases, didymo can change aquatic insect communities and native algae populations in streams," said Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department fisheries biologist Shawn Good. "The abundance of certain types of trout food like mayflies, caddisflies and stoneflies have been shown, in some instances, to decline dramatically where didymo blooms are found."

Good added that, while research hasn't proven a connection between the presence of didymo and declines in trout numbers, taking steps to prevent the spread of the invasive didymo is important. The same precautions that can prevent the spread of didymo, can also prevent the spread of whirling disease, which can have devastating effects on rainbow trout populations.

Didymo was first found in Vermont in the Connecticut River in 2007. A bloom also occurred in a New York section of the Batten Kill in 2006. Nuisance blooms have since occurred in the Mad, White, East Branch Passumpsic, and Gihon Rivers. The pathogen for whirling disease has been documented in the Batten Kill. The focus of the ban on felt-soled waders and boots is to prevent these and other invasive organisms from spreading to new waters.

Why the focus on felt?
Aquatic invasive species can be spread in a number of ways, but felt-soled boots are a notable contributor to the problem, particularly with microscopic species that spread through cells and spores. Felt is especially problematic because it is difficult to dry, clean or disinfect. Felt's woven fibers create voids that remain damp for long periods of time, and didymo cells and other small material can penetrate and occupy these voids. Recommended treatments have often been found to be ineffective at disinfecting these spaces.

Information on the role of felt-soled waders in the spread of aquatic invasive species can be found on the Center for Aquatic Nuisance Species website (http://stopans.org), by clicking on "The Science of Felt" link.

The Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department notes there are alternatives to felt-soled boots available on the market now as well as "homemade" remedies.

Cut the felt soles off the boots and use a studded sole product that straps onto your waders or boots.
Use waders or boots made with studded or high-grip rubber sole material.

Add your own "studs" to a pair of rubber-soled boots or waders, by screwing in ½" hex-head sheet metal screws. This is an inexpensive way of using your current waders and boots after removing the felt soles. Specialized, hardened screws are also commercially available.

The Fish and Wildlife Department recommends taking additional precautions after fishing and especially when moving between waters. Boots and other equipment should be dried, preferably in the sun, or disinfected with dishwashing detergent or bleach solution.



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Eventually their may be a US wide ban on felt soles. I will live just fine with out them. There are good alternatives to felt available now. Frank Simms Freestone Boots, all Simms StreamTread soles accept metal studs. <img src="http://cache.simmsfishing.com/simms/images/large/Freestone_Boot_zoom.jpg" /> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>kglissmeyer1</strong> on 07/03/2011 21:50:09 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=19548" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> One can see the writing on the wall - agree or not, its coming to a state near you. I own a pair of Simms Guide Boots with the streamtread sole and love them. No snow buildup in the winter and extremely good traction in and out of the water on most all terrains. I use a wading staff when in the water and have not had a serious or even minor mishap with the rubber soles in the streams in my area. Kelly. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>gt05254</strong> on 07/03/2011 21:59:50 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=22096" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Well, with the snowpack we have and all, nothing will be fishable til mid-June anyway, and by that time, it'll be warm enough that I won't care all that much every time I slip and fall in. My old Battenkill wading brogues are certainly going to feel neglected though, especially having to wait next to the new Simms Whateverthenameandungodlyexpensive vibram soled units for their turn when we waddle over to the NY side of the line. As I used to say to my staff when dealing with yet another off the wall rich white man, "It is what it is, deal with it." (they hated that phrase) Slip slidin' awaaaaaaaaaay, Gary P.S. Note to the editor: they're waDing boots, not waDDing boots. I don't even wanna think about what a wadding boot would be used for. Likely some very weird thing they do over in the UK that would be universally disapproved of over here. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>h dot verseman</strong> on 10/03/2011 05:14:26 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=23670" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I think this is a necessary step in the right direction, and hopefully this gets done nationwide in time to stop anything catastrophic from happening to an already fragile series of river systems. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>hardhat</strong> on 12/03/2011 02:43:19 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=1663" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Why? - It seems a over reaction to a problem or potential problem. Is there any proof that this will resolve, correct, or resolve the problem. Nope I find that felt is safer and more stable than the newer "rubber" soles. Sorry but I just see this as a forced change that does VERY LITTLE to change the problem. Probably some what of a good thing for boot sales though. The only way to prevent cross contamination is to prevent ANYTHING from going into the water. Little critters can hide inside a wading boot, reel, or other equipment just as well if not better than in the felt. What a joke or ploy> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>Rip Tide</strong> on 12/03/2011 03:24:36 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3578" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I feel a lot safer wearing felts too, but I'm not going to be the one responsible for spreading the problem. When ever legal, reasonable, and possible, I'll be wearing my felts When I fish in VT (which has been at least one weekend a year for better than 15 years), I'll be in my new cleated jungle boots </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>MoscaPescador</strong> on 12/03/2011 04:07:38 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=6380" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> If anyone wants to do some reading on the science of the felt sole debate, here are some links. The first link discusses the science of the ban the felt crowd. The following links are the studies in that discussion. As much as I have looked, I could not find a published scientific document about reasons not to ban. <a href="http://www.stopans.org/Science_of_felt.php">The Science of Felt Soles and Waders</a> <a href="http://stopans.org/Presentations/ScientificKnowledgeofDidymo.pdf">http://stopans.org/Presentations/ScientificKnowledgeofDidymo.pdf</a> <a href="http://etd.lib.montana.edu/etd/2007/gates/GatesK0507.pdf">http://etd.lib.montana.edu/etd/2007/gates/GatesK0507.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/studies/didymo-blooms.pdf">http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/studies/didymo-blooms.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/files/pests/didymo/didymo-decon-feb-05-rev-aug-06.pdf">http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/files/pests/didymo/didymo-decon-feb-05-rev-aug-06.pdf</a> <a href="http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/files/pests/didymo/didymo-survival-dec-06-rev-may-07.pdf">http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/files/pests/didymo/didymo-survival-dec-06-rev-may-07.pdf</a> MP </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>hardhat</strong> on 12/03/2011 04:33:41 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=1663" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Or for that case to ban. Again anything and everything entering the water can be a problem. What about the interior of the boots? What about the backing on reels? What about if the person fishing gets their clothes wet? What about people swimming? I read the articles and I did not see anything conclusive that felt wading boots ARE the problem. So ban the felt boots in VT because they may be a problem? Again this action does not solve the problem of people transporting invasive species. It does force people to buy different products and feel that the problem is solved. Prevention should start at the borders!! </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <a href="http://http://450bushmaster.net" target="_blank">mudbug</a> on 12/03/2011 07:27:17 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=20379" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> <q cite="Frank Whiton;220577">There are good alternatives to felt available now.</q> Not untill I can buy them for $70. At this point there is no such thing as a budget wading boot with rubber soles that doesn't suck. On the other hand my cheapo BPS felt soled boots kick butt. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>silver creek</strong> on 20/01/2012 00:51:08 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24159" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> My belief is that <em>there is a fairness issue</em> . Most of you are unaware that in the passed Vermont legislation, <em>there is an exemption for state and federal employees</em>. Why is this fact not mentioned? I had to dig it out of the legislative files. This allows Vermont fisheries as well as other personnel to use felt soled waders and boots. It seems to me that if banning felt is important, Vermont fisheries workers, who are routinely in the waters and are more likely to be in different watersheds routinely, should be the first to transition to rubber soles. Instead the Vermont exempts their own employees while mandating a change for the fishermen. If the ban is based on science, should it not apply to everyone? This is the kind of legislation that burdens the public, but exempts government which drives me nuts. From Vermont's own legislative site: "Sec. 1. 10 V.S.A. 4616 is added to read: 4616. FELT-SOLED BOOTS AND WADERS; USE PROHIBITED It is unlawful to use external felt-soled boots or external felt-soled waders in the waters of Vermont, <em><strong>except that a state or federal employee or emergency personnel, including fire, law enforcement, and EMT personnel, may use external felt-soled boots or external felt-soled waders in the discharge of official duties.</strong></em>" <a href="http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2010/bills/Passed/H-488.pdf">http://www.leg.state.vt.us/docs/2010/bills/Passed/H-488.pdf</a> So the ultimate irony is that a Vermont warden can give you a citation for wearing felt boots while wearing felt boots himself. How crazy is that? </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 20/01/2012 16:00:20 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Amen, Silver! Maybe those legislators need to reread the declaration of Independence. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>mikel</strong> on 20/01/2012 16:32:30 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=21578" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Really? It's not fair? Two scientists come up with "it's not fair"? Stellar </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 20/01/2012 16:52:55 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Mikel, as usual you miss the point. Let me spell it out for you. FISHERY WORKERS FELT SOLED BOOTS CARRY MICROORGANISMS TOO. DUH! Clear enough now, Mikel? </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>mikel</strong> on 20/01/2012 16:59:25 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=21578" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> lol....I'm not going to engage with you ff...you're correct, fairness is not the issue. Glad you cleared that up. THAT was my point. Of course their boots carrying nasties is only bad if they move to other waters without treating them. out </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 20/01/2012 17:25:25 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> MoscaPescador: I am preparing an article right now supporting the continued use of felt. There is actually a lot of information out there but no one has yet had the courage to come out and draw a line in the sand. The first paper on your list, which I have previously carefully read, a white paper from the EPA and Federation of FlyFishers published in 2007, "Increase in nuisance blooms and geographic expansion of the freshwater diatom Didymosphenia geminata: Recommendations for response" has the following statement under Recommendations: "An aggressive education and outreach program is required to change water resource user behavior in order to MINIMIZE SPREAD of D. geminata on a global scale." The words MINIMIZE SPREAD were carefully chosen. The authors cautiously avoided saying PREVENT SPREAD because these words would have been incorrect. By choosing the words MINIMIZE SPREAD they are admitting that there is no politically acceptable way to PREVENT the spread of Didymo. When I worked for a resource agency I was careful to choose my words also because if I didn't, my supervisor would edit them out! Sometimes it is not what IS said, it is what is NOT said that is important. Too bad we cannot ask the authors, "Will your recommendations prevent the spread of Didymo, yes or no?" There were times in my job when, if asked such a question, I would have come face to face with choosing complete honesty or losing my job!<span style="color:Silver"> <span>---------- Post added at 12:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:11 PM ----------</span> </span>Mikel: The rest of us know how to clean our boots too, Mikel! Satisfactory cleaning using accepted methods is difficult or even impossible in a motel room and complete drying is impossible when you work in those boots every day, so I cannot believe fishery workers would not spread Didymo. In Montana, the ban was voted down based on State Fishery workers indicating that they would not abandon felt for safety (and perhaps liability?) reasons. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>silver creek</strong> on 20/01/2012 17:25:53 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24159" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> If equal treatment under the law is not a fairness issue, I don't know what is. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 20/01/2012 17:33:33 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> You are absolutely correct Silver, but that is a political issue, while the issue that Mikel needs to keep in mind is the value of banning felt soled boots for use by fishermen while allowing state fishery workers to continue to use them. As usual, he chooses to disengage when he can't come up with logical arguments to support his side of an issue. Disengaging is at least better than resorting to slander and namecalling. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>silver creek</strong> on 20/01/2012 18:17:34 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24159" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> It is not only dydimo and felt soled boots that is an example of how experts that should know better say one thing but do another on the issue invasive species. Another example is Whirling Disease (WD) and the Colorado Division of Wildlife's (CDW) trout hatcheries. At on time WH was found in 12 of 15 CDW hatcheries. Instead of shutting the fish hatcheries down and cleaning them, the CDW continued to stock infected fish into its public waters, some of which were previously uninfected! They spread WD into their own uninfected waters. They have since changed that policy. However they still have a policy of stocking infected fish "only" into waters that already have WD. They had research which showed that parasite dose exposure in the environment increases infection rates and decreases survival. The CDW stocking increased the infection rate. And yet, they continue to do so, in spite of the science that says they should not. "<em><strong>Parasite dose strongly determines the severity of whirling disease</strong> which generally increases with the number of triactinomyxons the fish encounters (Hoffman 1974; O’Grodnick 1979; Markiw 1991, 1992a, 1992b; Hedrick et al. 1999a; Thompson et al. 1999; Densmore et al. 2001; Ryce et al. 2001; Ryce et al. 2004; Ryce et al. 2005).</em>" <a href="http://fwpiis.mt.gov/content/getItem.aspx?id=40473">http://fwpiis.mt.gov/content/getItem.aspx?id=40473</a> <strong>The current policy of CDW is to continue to stock infected fish.</strong> "<em>A policy implemented in spring 1995 prevents the stocking of trout from hatcheries testing positive into waters where whirling disease has not been found. This includes wilderness areas and streams where native trout may be restored. <strong>Trout from positive hatcheries will be stocked into waters where the parasite has been found</strong> to minimize the risk of contaminating other watersheds. Only trout from negative testing hatcheries can be stocked into waters where the parasite has not been found. Last fall, the Division of Wildlife released new research suggesting that the stocking of infected fish in WD+ reservoirs was increasing the level of infection in brown trout populations downstream (for highlights from the research, see the whirling disease page). CTU believes this research offers <strong>further evidence that the stocking of infected fish (even in habitats that already have the WD parasite present) can harm the resource.</strong> There have been many questions about how the DOW will – or will not – respond to these important new findings in their management programs, where "lightly" infected trout continue to be stocked in numerous waters around the state (the so-called "B waters").</em>" <a href="http://parks.state.co.us/SiteCollectionImages/parks/Programs/ParksResourceStewardship/Whirling%20Disease%20Information.pdf">http://parks.state.co.us/SiteCollectionImages/parks/Programs/ParksResourceStewardship/Whirling%20Disease%20Information.pdf</a> I understand that few fisheries departments act with such disregard. Maryland, for example, has an aggressive testing policy and they did the right thing and closed the Bear Creek hatchery when WD was found. "<em>The discovery of whirling disease (Myxobolus cerebralis) at Bear Creek Hatchery in late 2006 led to the eventual <strong>closing of that facility.</strong> It has remained closed since early 2007.</em>" <a href="http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/recreational/whirlingd/BCH08plan.pdf">http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/recreational/whirlingd/BCH08plan.pdf</a> <em>Nevertheless, when a state such as Colorado with its many miles of trout habitat acts in such a way, is there any wonder that I dig into the the actual bills that are passed to see if the rules apply equally to the state employees and the fishing public?</em> Can we not agree that the fishing public and the state employees should be treated equally under the law? <strong>How can anyone, in this time in our history, say that a public employee carving out a privilege for himself over the public is acceptable?</strong> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 20/01/2012 19:54:43 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I was wondering if anyone would open that can of worms. You have done your homework Silver. I have not done my homework on WD, but from what I know, Colorado spent $11 million dollars (?) disinfecting their hatcheries but it didn't work! I think they just gave up so the high country lakes with no spawning streams are now devoid of fish I believe. I have not heard a word lately about WD and it seems to have been quietly swept under the rug. On to chronic wasting disease in elk and deer which they actually brought into Colorado by doing research on infected animals brought in from elsewhere! Obviously, the CDOW does not believe in wasting their resources on containment of invasives! LOL! In fact they spend their resources and our money spreading invasives! From a practical viewpoint (i.e.feasibility and income) it is probably the most logical answer. Money talks. I don't look for Colorado to ban felt anytime soon as I have been told by one of their employees that there is no discussion of a ban as of yet. No doubt they have been made aware of the hypocrisy in that. No one has mentioned the role of fish farms and private stocking on the spread of disease either which I find strange. How many states allow landowners to stock streams running through their property? Colorado does. Hey Silver! Care to start a thread on WD? Let them pick your carcass for a change! LOL! The kids are back in high school looking at half naked women again I see.<span style="color:Silver"> <span>---------- Post added at 02:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:24 PM ----------</span> </span>Okay, I checked on some things. Six of Colorado's 16 hatcheries are still whirling disease positive even after decontamination efforts. Silver, you may have seen this link about Colorado's high country cutthroats and WD but if not, here it is: <a href="http://wildlife.state.co.us/Research/Aquatic/WhirlingDisease/Pages/WDinCutthroatWaters.aspx">Whirling Disease in Cutthroat waters*</a> Doesn't appear that the spread of WD is being prevented in CO. In fact, it appears to be too late! So, all you out-of-staters stay home. The trout in Colorado are all dead! LOL! </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>JoJer</strong> on 20/01/2012 21:37:40 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=6414" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> <q cite="mudbug;223127">Not untill I can buy them for $70. At this point there is no such thing as a budget wading boot with rubber soles that doesn't suck. On the other hand my cheapo BPS felt soled boots kick butt.</q> <strong><span style="color:Red">X1! </span></strong>+add'l =10 </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 25/01/2012 03:12:33 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Here is an Email I received today from the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Agency: "I am not aware of any requirements that have been put in place for decontamination of felt soled waders and boots and other equipment used by State and Federal water based workers in Vermont. As you noted, the Vermont law banning felt soled boots includes the provision: “except that a state or federal employee or emergency personnel, including fire, law enforcement, and EMT personnel, may use external felt-soled boots or external felt-soled waders in the discharge of official duties.” Our Department, on its own initiative, has established spread prevention and decontamination protocols for our own staff when they are engaged in different water-based activities; an example is attached which pre-dates the felt legislation. In the past year we have also bought non-felt waders for almost all water-based fieldwork except use inside our fish hatcheries." We have also provided outreach information in press releases and on our website: <a href="http://www.vtfishandwildlife.com/felt.cfm">Vermont Fish & Wildlife</a> I hope this answers your question. Regards, Eric Here is Vermont's recommendation for decontamination of equipment used for water-based recreation in Vermont: Do I Still Need to Clean Rubber-Soled Boots and Waders? Although the risk of transferring unwanted organisms is reduced when using non-felt alternatives, precautions should still be taken after fishing and especially when moving between waters. If you’re done fishing, hunting, or trapping for the day, you can let your boots and other equipment dry at home before your next trip. Drying in the sun is the best option, and the longer the better. If the time between trips isn’t sufficient to ensure your gear is completely dried, some simple cleaning and disinfection steps can be taken: Check your boots and remove all mud and vegetation, as these could carry aquatic invasive species. Add a cup of dishwashing detergent or several capfuls of household bleach to a gallon of water and soak and scrub your boots with a stiff bristled brush for about a minute. Please do you part to help stop the spread of didymo and other aquatic invasive species by properly disinfecting your boots and other fishing equipment before moving to another waterbody, watershed or upstream site. Eric Palmer Director of Fisheries VT Fish & Wildlife 1229 Portland Street - Suite 201 St. Johnsbury, VT 05819 (802) 751-0107 <a href="mailto:eric.palmer@state.vt.us">eric.palmer@state.vt.us</a> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>sweetandsalt</strong> on 25/01/2012 13:53:34 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=26050" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> If VT or any other state is banning (superior traction) felt soles, I hope they are also banning the other mud and ick encrusted spreaders of invasives like float tubes, pontoon craft, canoes and kyakes, neoprene gravel cuffs and waders and drift boat trailers. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 25/01/2012 14:36:59 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Here is an Email giving the decon procedures used by Vermont. Very thorough! I just wonder how much of an 8 hour day is consumed by decon, I certainly hope all of us fly fishermen will be this thorough in our personal Decon! I will paste the disinfection example below hopefully the formatting will not get too garbled. This is just one example; we have separate protocols for disinfecting our electrofishing boats, and for sampling fish in rivers. Some of these are best practices instead of disinfection techniques for example, when sampling multiple locations along a river, work from upstream to downstream (disinfecting gear between each location) as there is less likelihood of moving aquatic nuisance species into new areas that way. One word of caution, the quaternary ammonia solution we use for disinfection is quite strong, and not something I would recommend for the general public unless they were very careful to contain the used solution so it didnt run onto the ground or into the water. Cheers, Eric Aquatic Nuisance Species Spread Prevention Plan For Sea Lamprey Control Activities 2010 - 2015 Vermont Department of Fish & Wildlife September 16, 2010 The follow document details equipment disinfection procedures designed to minimize the spread of Aquatic Nuisance Species (ANS), including pathogens, while performing sea lamprey control activities on Lake Champlain and its tributaries. Full disinfection of equipment such as nets, waders, canoes, boats, trailers and motors will occur before moving between waterbodies. At the completion of all sea lamprey control activities equipment will be disinfected according to the techniques described below before it is moved to other bodies of water. Upon leaving any waterbody: All Vehicles, boats, trailers, equipment, and all personal gear and clothing - Visual inspection immediately after removing equipment from a waterbody. - On-site removal of all plants, plant fragments, organisms, organic material, mud or other foreign materials. - Remove all drain plugs and drain the bilge and well water. Disinfection Techniques: The following techniques will be used on all equipment that will be moved between waterbodies. 1) Non-absorbent items (boats, canoes, water sampling equipment and other hard objects) Bleach Solution: soak or spray all surfaces for at least one minute in a 2% bleach solution (13oz or 1.5 cups of bleach added 5 gallons of water). OR Quaternary ammonia: soak or spray all surfaces for at least one minute. When using SANICARE Quat-128 manufactured by Buckeye International use 2.5 oz of Quat-128 for each gallon of water; or 250ml of Quat-128 with water added to make 10 liters. OR Drying: All equipment will be dried for a minimum of 5 days before use on another waterbody. OR Pressurized Hot water: All equipment with be pressure washed for a minimum of one minute with water at a temperature at or above 140F. Note: small items like sampling vials may be washed in hot water and dish soap. 2) Absorbent items: (i.e. Life jackets, boots, waders) Bleach solutions are not recommended for absorbent materials due to ineffective penetration compared to quaternary ammonia solutions (surfactants). Quaternary ammonia: Equipment will be soaked for a minimum of 30 minutes to ensure disinfectant penetration. When using SANICARE Quat-128 manufactured by Buckeye International use 2.5 oz of Quat-128 for each gallon of water; or 250ml of Quat-128 with water added to make 10 liters. OR Drying: All equipment will be dried for a minimum of 5 days before use on another waterbody. Note: Any boots with felt soles will be disinfected with quaternary ammonia. Specific Boat Disinfection Procedures: Boat surfaces will be disinfected with a 2% bleach solution (1.5 cups of bleach per 5 gallons of water). If equipped with a livewell, insert standpipe and pour 5-gallons of 2% bleach solution in. Pour another 5-gallons of 2% bleach solution over the entire surface of the boat deck. Run any bilge or recirculating pumps for at least 10 seconds to pump bleach solution through pumps and hoses. Attach garden hose to motor muff and place muff over the water intake ports on the outboards lower unit. Turn on hose. Start outboard and run for at least 10 seconds to flush the motor coolant system with clean water. Remove any grates or screens covering water intakes for onboard tanks and remove visible debris/plant fragments. Clean grates or screens with garden hose. Insert garden hose nozzle into intake and flush with clean water. Run tank pump for at least 10 seconds to flush clean water through the tank pump hose. Remove stand-pipe from livewell and the bilge drain plug. Use garden hose to rinse the deck, bilge and any wells with freshwater. Flush for 10 minutes. Run any pumps with fresh water for at least 30 seconds to flush bleach solution. OR Rinse boat deck, bilge, live well, boat hull and boat trailer with steam/hot water pressure washer with temperature set to a minimum of 140 Fahrenheit. Attach garden hose to motor muff and place muff over the water intake ports on the outboards lower unit. Turn on hose. Start outboard motor and run for at least 10 seconds to flush the motor coolant system with clean water. Eric Palmer Director of Fisheries VT Fish & Wildlife 1229 Portland Street - Suite 201 St. Johnsbury, VT 05819 (802) 751-0107 </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>rapid eddy</strong> on 28/02/2012 02:32:21 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=30700" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Just so ya'll know, Missouri has passed a bill very close to VT. It becomes effective March 1 which is opening day of trout season here in the state parks. Eddy </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 28/02/2012 04:27:38 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I sent requests for decon procedures for State Personnel in Vermont, Maryland and Alaska. I received a nice reply from the Vermont Fish and Game (cited above), but all I ever got from Maryland was an Email advertising the Governors reelection campaign. All I received from Alaska was some literature on tourism in the mail. If one reads the decon procedures required for Fishery workers in Vermont, one has to wonder how much of each workday is left to actually do any survey work, let alone research on the impacts of the "invasive" species. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>rapid eddy</strong> on 28/02/2012 13:26:36 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=30700" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I think i have the bullitin on Missouris stance on the felt soles. I'll post that info this evening. Eddy </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>rapid eddy</strong> on 02/03/2012 23:53:14 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=30700" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Better late than never, The Missouri CC approved a reg. change in Aug, 2011 that bans the use of porous soled waders or footwear incorporating or having attached a porous sole of felted, matted, or woven fibrous material when fishing in trout parks and other specific trout waters. The new reg will go into effect March 1 2012. The stuff is called Didymo or Rock Snot 1) Check all gear and equip. and remove any visable algae. Dispose of algae by placing in the trash, not by putting it down a drain or into bodies of water. 2) Then clean all gear and equip. with a solution of 2% bleach, 5% salt water, or dishwashing detergent. Allow all equip. to stay in contact with solution for at least 3 min. Soak all soft items, such as felt soled waders and wader boot cuffs, neoprene waders and life jackets, in the solution for at least 20 min. 3) Or then dry all gear and equip. for at least 48 hrs by exposing to sunlite. That's the way the bullitin reads. Hope that helps ya guys. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>chuck s</strong> on 04/03/2012 02:00:38 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24405" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Just a couple of thoughts. First they haven't proven that felt soles are the big culprit and a clue in the first part of the paper linked above gives a clue that might lead elsewhere. It went something like this: " The outbreaks here in North America and elsewhere are often found below the bigger impoundments." (paraphrased) Couple that with the known phenomenea that impoundments trap a lot of sediment, fertilizer, etc and you may have your basic cause. During the time that Didymo was increasing so was impoundments and fertilizers and intensive agriculture methods from chemical fertilizers to rotational grazing. :icon_idea Far too often the wildfire that spreds a quick cure such as this has is in part to a lot of Federal Grants, etc for researchers to _________fill in the blanks. All too often the researchers, desperately need the funding, but do not have the research capability or acumen to do the job. I know those folks at the TU/FFF/EPA mean well but I didn't see a lot of credentials and accredited peer review for the results given. I do agree that the felt soles would be likely the hardest part of the exterior of a boot/laces/velcro to clean so some small gains may be made with that but how many folks will following anything close to that cleaning regimine above? :o States with big budgets and money to burn will hire a few more people, bloating their bureauacracy a bit more (empire building) and the tax payers, anglers and boaters will be the primary scapegoats. :( In case you do not know fishing and the outdoor sports have been in severe decline for serveral years now and cost is always given as a biggie when asked why. With the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service coupled with the state Fish and Game departments, plus the EPA and state sister services, the sportsman is rapidly becoming an endangered species. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 04/03/2012 03:26:02 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Amen. And the sports industries are scrambling to find ways to take up the slack. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>Rip Tide</strong> on 04/03/2012 14:02:17 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3578" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> We have didymo here in CT and when I recently spoke to a state fisheries biologist about it, he told me that patches are small and few and far between. Furthermore, they don't expect that the didymo will ever become as bad as has been predicted and because the algae is native to the northern hemisphere it likely that we will never face the problem like they're dealing with in New Zealand </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>fredaevans</strong> on 04/03/2012 15:36:59 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=15314" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Early on there was a great post with several links (all good reads), but this was the one eye-opener ... as in why do felt boot bottoms have to me made of 'felt?' ''When researchers looked at this question it became obvious that felt presented disinfection problems that other materials did not. The main reason for this is the nature of the felt material. Felt is constructed as a dense mat of randomly woven fibers. <span style="color:Blue">It has large interstitial spaces that can be a perfect trap for any small material</span>. Gates, in the study referenced above, did extensive work to determine the relative ability of various wader materials to trap WD spores. <span style="color:Blue">In her experiments, felt trapped 100% of the WD spores that it was exposed to while rubber trapped none.</span> This is dramatic evidence that felt soles present a much greater risk of transport than rubber soles." My question is why do felt bottoms have to be made of 'felt?' I look at the 'felt' bottoms of my Korker Chromes and the material is anything but 'felt.' Not sure what it is, appears to be a '<em>man made material'</em> of some sort like woven 'plastic' threads. Stuff is harder than heck, takes screw in studs easily, etc., etc. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">AND</span> really grips the bottom (mine are self inserted studs placed around the outside edge/heel). Have run an 'non-scientific' experiment the last two trips back from the Rogue. Just let the boots 'drain naturally' for an hour and then set them on paper toweling. End game was there was damned little for the paper to absorb. Thought here only, if banned should not be on 'felt bottoms' per se, but on 'what' the 'felt' is made of .... ? Bottom line (or so it appears) is the Korker stuff will hold water, BUT will not <span style="text-decoration:underline;">absorb</span> water. Thoughts? fae </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 05/03/2012 00:54:04 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> As I understand it, Missouri has recently banned wading boots with "fibrous" soles. Looks like this would include your Korkers. The interesting thing is, they only banned these boots in TROUT PARKS! Go figure! </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>Liphookedau</strong> on 05/03/2012 01:13:09 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3447" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> You will always find someone always starts somewhere as with the Lead Shot Issue there are certain places over here where it's Banned & others there are no worries about it at this stage at least. It will eventually be phased in Worldwide whether Felt or Synthetic,however how long it takes is another question & as mentioned it's a big issue in New Zealand,Friends have all had to buy new Wading Boots. Brian. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>cw76</strong> on 05/03/2012 01:14:25 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=6182" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> We need a "wonder soul" or something.. Made from or impregnated with a compound that can some how deal with(kill) or repel the organisms that may be retained while in the water. Its seems like slippery slope, but I imagine someone will come up with something. Pretty soon Simms will have an entire line. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>Liphookedau</strong> on 05/03/2012 01:25:48 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3447" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Cw 76. I was thinking along the same Lines,why isn't there a product we can treat our gear with even if it had to be supervised & if necessary paperwork supplied,in between Fishing in different areas,States,Countries etc. because when I returned to Australia I had to fill out a The Quarantine Slip where I had been Fishing,however the main issue was the time lag between Fishing & arriving back home. Brian. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>fredaevans</strong> on 05/03/2012 02:10:16 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=15314" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> <q cite="FlyFlinger2421;408152">As I understand it, Missouri has recently banned wading boots with "fibrous" soles. Looks like this would include your Korkers. The interesting thing is, they only banned these boots in TROUT PARKS! Go figure!</q> First time I've seen the term 'fibrous,' have a link to that? That could be a darned interesting read ..... 'coming to where you live soon?' </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>chuck s</strong> on 05/03/2012 02:27:14 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24405" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> I suspect that product is Dawn dish soap. A true story: My sis was having a huge flea problem out in Oregon. The epidemic of the little buggers were driving her dogs nuts. She'd tried everthing but then one day she noticed a fly land on a bubble of her dish water as she was doing dishes and then watched as the fly froze. Turned out he'd just encountered instant death, aka Dawn antiebacterial dish soap and was dead instantly, on the spot where he landed.. She immediately filled her law sprayer with dawn and water and sprayed her lawn and voila--no more flea problems. Wonder what it would do to whirling disease or didymo?:popcorn: </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>fredaevans</strong> on 05/03/2012 02:32:03 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=15314" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Now THAT was an interesting post. For my two 'old Doggies' I use "K9Advantix 2" or equal, but it's expensive as all heck. :weight_li A far less pricie alternative? Assuming either one would take/accept getting a bath ... short of a dip in the river? Hummmm ... which reminds me, I'm two weeks late with their monthly 'application.' fae </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 05/03/2012 04:25:34 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> fredaevans: Check Rapid Eddies posts on page 3 of this thread. That is where I first read about Missouri's "fibrous" law. I would be willing to bet the other state that have passed felt bans will modify their laws. Redington tried "crushed walnut shells"! I was thinking about gluing those 3M green pot scrubbing pads to the bottoms of mine!:biggrin: </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>Liphookedau</strong> on 05/03/2012 06:11:16 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3447" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Chuck S. Very interesting I'll remember to tell friends with Properties who keep many dogs,however would it be harmful to The Fish ???? A good mate of mine submerses his dogs in a 44 Gallon Drum full of Dip when Jetting Sheep for Flies. Brian </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 05/03/2012 12:12:49 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> As for disinfecting for Didymo, research shows that dish soap worked. Antibacterial types, curiously enough, were not as effective as the regular. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>rapid eddy</strong> on 05/03/2012 12:56:08 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=30700" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> For a complete read on the Missouri law one can find it on the web. Missouri Conservation Commission. Flinger, those pot scrubbers would probably be considered "porous". I'll remember that dawn soap method. Cheap fix for sure. Eddy </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 06/03/2012 00:19:15 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Yeah, they probably would be but they sure would be cheap!;) Colorado is not planning to jump on the band wagon, so I'm not going to lose much sleep over this. </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>fredaevans</strong> on 06/03/2012 00:33:44 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=15314" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Good call there; this thread is "Getting long in the tooth," assuming you're old enough to remember that 'one liner' Back we go, and I do remember (now that you've brought it up) the 'Waly-Nut' shell thing. :rolleyes: fae </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>chuck s</strong> on 06/03/2012 18:20:16 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=24405" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Another advantage of a bit of Dawn is that dish soap is a surficant in that it helps pourous material absorb liquid. Add a bit and it should help penetrate fiberous material. Perhaps a clean water rinse would be appropriate though to protect the mayflies and fish!:eek: </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="comment_holder"> <a name="comment_"> </a> <div class="comment_header"> <strong>FlyFlinger2421</strong> on 06/03/2012 19:16:11 </div> <div class="comment_body_holder"> <div class="comment_body"> <img src="http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/image.php?u=3199" alt="avatar" /> <div class="comment_text"> Of course! 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