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Old 02-22-2008, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: How to fasten two loops together

Hi Tie One On,

I have not had any problems with the Perfection Loop failing. I don't know which knot may be the strongest. So one knot may be stronger if you test them to failure but who cares. The Surgeon knot may be 100% and the Perfection is only 97%. Not enough difference in real world applications. There is also the question of which Surgeon knot we are talking about.

I have caught Salmon using a Perfection Loop but I used an appropriate sized leader. Normally when I am fishing for Salmon or huge big Rainbows like they have in Alaska, I would use a triple Surgeon loop instead of a perfection. I don't ever remember having a Perfection or a Surgeon knot fail. The failure will almost aways come at the fly knot.

Here is how you can test the three loops (double surgeon, triple surgeon and the perfection). Get ten pieces of mono that is about 15" long. Tie a Perfection Loop in one end and tie the knot as perfect as you can. Then tie a Double Surgeon loop (perfect again) in the other end. Take two wooden dowels and place then into each knot. Now pull until one of the knots fails. Do this ten times and you will know which knot is the strongest. When one knot wins do another series of ten test using the winning knot and the Triple Surgeon Loop. When you are done you will know which knot is the strongest but not if it is a 100% knot. I wouldn't worry which knot is 100% because all of these knots are strong enough to catch fish. Now if you break the line instead of the knot, then that is a strong knot.

I use a loop to loop at the butt and for a tippet. Keep in mind that most of my fishing is subsurface and I am not worried about hinging. I do think if you use small loops you won't notice any hinging. We all have to find a system that works for us. Now I will say that if I was fishing the Kvichak River in Alaska I would tie my short leader to the fly line directly with a nail knot and use a Triple Surgeon knot (not loop) to fasten my tippet to the leader. The Kvichak has huge 30+ inch trout that are extremely wild. I would want the simplest, strongest setup that I could use.

Frank
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