i went and tested a few rods today. orvis clear water, sage launch, and TFO(the 90$ one) and the only one i really liked was the sage. but at the shop i went to, they wanted 220 plus tax. so i said thank you very much, but it was a little outta my price range. so i looked at what was posted last night and today, and i am now seriously looking at the ECHO rod a few suggested. so Steve, whatare your thoughts on that rod? thanks for all the help guys!