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Old 04-11-2012, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Beginner: Different technique for slow rod?

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Originally Posted by silver creek View Post
The thing is to give beginners a simple motion for a basic cast.. They are not going to cast 60 feet as beginners. So the foundation cast is just that, a foundation. It is to learn a simple cast and to get the muscle memory to feel the rod bend.

Many techniques work. What I am saying is that this technique is simple and easy for beginners to learn. To say that you can use other motions like Lefty Kreh's low elbow technique is beside the point. Or you can use the elbow up to the side technique of Dan Blanton and Bruce Richards.

This simple "elbow forward" technique is the one that Joanne Wulff, Mel Krieger, Gary and Jason Borger, Jim Green, Jerry Seim, Steve and Jeff Rajeff use. It is basically the technique developed at the Golden Gate Casting Club.

As you lengthen the cast, you can open up your arms and use a fuller casting motion. But to teach this full arm technique to beginners creates a greater opportunity for casting errors.

To explain the various casting styles, Al Kyte wrote the article below. Using any of these style, you can cast well. However, you will note that most of the casters that are known for instruction favor the elbow forward style. I think it is because it is the easiest for beginners to grasp.

http://fedflyfishers.org/Portals/0/D...l%20Styles.pdf

As to whether it is 10 to 2 or 11 to 2 or 10 to 1 for a perfect cast is really irrelevant. As Chris said, as the cast lengthens, the angle can widen. If we are talking about what to tell beginners, I maintain that if you tell beginners 10 to 2, you will often get 9 to 3 or 9 to 2 or 10 to 4, etc, etc. It is MUCH easier to get then to OPEN up the angle than to tighten it. Their instinct is to wave the arm and break the wrist!

So start them with shorter casts and smaller angles. You want them to have success early with a relatively tight loop. Then they can lengthen and open that casting angle.
I agree with all of this. All the great casters and instructors mentioned that occasionally utter the phrase "10-to-2" obviously have great casting mechanics, and they spend 99.9% of their time explaining and demonstrating the cast in all kinds of other ways that are effective in getting people to understand and learn how to cast. I suspect that some people benefit from hearing the 10-2 talk while others are at least briefly confused by it. But thankfully there is much more to those folks' instruction, and everyone is able to pick up on some part of their descriptions and demonstrations.

This discussion has been interesting in that it shows that people visualize different things when they hear things like "10-2". For some, it apparently is an effective word picture, and for others it isn't. I suspect that's why all those great instructors have to spend a good amount of time talking about and demonstrating the cast in different ways. There is likely no one magic phrase that makes everyone's light bulb come on.
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