William j, thanks for the tip on gel and powder floatant. That is something I didn't know. Been using both of these products off and on and not in the proper manner. I have always coated my new flies prior to use and repeated the process when they were soaked. Last summer I picked up a powder but the shop didn't tell me the difference. Most time I find some of the clerks just assume that you know what you are buying in gear if you don't ask questions. My fault for that. Others just love what they are doing and are a great source of information. That is what I like about this site. Informative.