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Old 03-13-2013, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: Rod grip style, and Lefty's principles

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Originally Posted by Jackster View Post
Reading that makes me wonder how long your rotator cuff will last. What I envision is that you're doing the 'chicken wing'-looking cast with your elbow way out to your side. If that's the case, be forewarned, it might hurt later. I like keeping my elbow close to my body. It improves accuracy and takes a bit less effort.

When Lefty was talking about the shelf I believe he meant imagine your elbow sliding along a shelf and not static just sitting and pivoting on it. Sliding along a straight line like a shelf would help in forming a straight line path.



I find just the opposite of what Lefty said about the thumb on top curing the 'wow' on the back cast. He ain't Borger but Steve Rajeff cured me of throwing the line in a curve on the back cast as you mention by a simple grip change to a semi-V on top grip.
Grip an imaginary rod right now with a thumb up grip and make an imaginary back cast. The most natural way to make the stop is to subconsciously twist the grip slightly so that your thumb turns inward towards you.
Now start the cast with a 'V' formed by your thumb and forefinger (V Grip as it was formerly called) When you make the stop because your hand is already rotated you won't tend to twist the rod as much and will cure some of the 'wow'.
The Three Point Grip is really nothing new. I have an old casting book from the 1950's in which it was described though it wasn't named the Three Point Grip back then.

A casting instructor really shouldn't teach form as that is largely determined on what the student favors because of prior experiences and/or musculature.
I favor the thums up grip for normal casting at normal fishing ranges. I'll twist my grip around somewhat as the cast lengthens. Instead of aiming with my finger I aim with my thmb nail and seem to get good results.

If you're casting sidearm I just can't picture a thumbs up cast. I just tried it with my imaginary rod and OUCH! That does hurt. Bring your elbow in and try the same action you would use for using a hatchet (which would involve bringing your elbow up) and then use that imaginary shelf to slide your elbow on for longer casts and hopefully your pain is gone and your accuracy and efficiency is up.
No expert here, just what works for me and what I've learned. I agree with the V grip tip. I learned it for badminton back in the day. This put the pivot or fulcrum point in the grip between thumb and index fingers. Much of the stroke floated in between the other three fingers.


Points of contact for the V-grip two finger grip.
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V-grip from above
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V-grip rotated. Thumb and index finger together in opposition. Other fingers relaxed.
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Rod as natural extension of limb. Hand, wrist, forearm straight and aligned.
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phil

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Originally Posted by troutnut4 View Post
noreaster, are you sure that wasn't a golf instructor an not Ti Chi! Stay loose dude.
Ha haaa Love it. I'm not disciplined enough to be good at golf. But I see the comparison. Ohh you should see my slice. It's not pretty
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