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Default What is Happening to the Kings on the Kenai River River

Here is a great article on the dwindling population of big trophy Kings on the Kenai river:

https://www.adn.com/alaska-life/we-a...i-king-salmon/
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That's an incredible fish and a great article. I've never landed a King but have hooked into a few and can't imagine the power that fish must have had.

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Default Re: What is Happening to the Kings on the Kenai River River

That pretty well covers the topic I think Larry. When I first fished the river in 1989 they were still present but things have changed dramatically. I've read a lot, talked with the regional fisheries biologist and know some guys who work down there fishing. Everything points not only over fishing but a selective harvest of the largest fish. It's just the way it is, the picture showing the crowding down at the mouth.......... That's a very good example of why I stay out in the boonies and don't go down there to fish myself. I believe that when I took the guides certification course down there at the Peninsula Collage there were just over 400 registered guides on the Kenai. That was 4 years ago, I never have worked there, I just wanted the credentials so I took the course.

Good post and part of my reasons for being a keep them wet C&R fisherman out here.
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This is pretty much true for every river from Kalifornia to Alaskee. Who knows why but the North Pacific was not kind to them. I haven't even bothered to buy a fishing lic; no point to it .... at least at this point.

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Mankind doing what it does best, wiping out a resource

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Unfortunately I agree with you. The legal dip netting is particularly disturbing to me. I see no redeeming skill set being developed, or even a hobby in that method. Reminds me some of darkhouse spearing. Let's eradicate the best of the gene pool the only time it is easy.
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Unfortunately I agree with you. The legal dip netting is particularly disturbing to me. I see no redeeming skill set being developed, or even a hobby in that method. Reminds me some of darkhouse spearing. Let's eradicate the best of the gene pool the only time it is easy.
Dewayne: I agree, when I lived in Alaska I felt that there was no real reason to allow dip netting, especially on the Kenai. I think if they are going to continue that practice they need to make it a lottery system so they can control the numbers instead of letting anybody and everybody slaughter the resource.
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Default Re: What is Happening to the Kings on the Kenai River River

The dip net personal use fishery attracts what I could only call the good, the bad and the ugly. I've never participated in the Kenai thing but have seen things that boggle the mind on the one and only time I drove over there to see what it was all about. I have used other personal use fisheries in the state and can also say that while there I've seen it all. Even with a most liberal household limit of 25 sockeye for single person and an additional ten fish for each additional member of the household there are arrests made every year for poaching. Inconceivable I know but I have seen people take way more than could be justified. I have never taken what would be considered our household limit. Thirty fish seems quite enough. Ever since I began using this privilege I have released all female fish, last season I released all females as well as 2 king salmon unharmed and I really mean unharmed. I had to cut and then repair my net in order to release a king without damage to the fish.

It takes all kinds, like everything else in life some will abuse any and every privilege granted to them. I can't stop any of the bad things I witness every year, I'm just a citizen and getting into a situation with a law breaker in remote locations is not a smart thing to do.

Incidentally, I entered some additional observations about king salmon on the blog here. I didn't want to hijack the thread from the original article, you may find some similarities in what I wrote.

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Here comes a thread derail Larry.

I have no problem with spin fisherman harvesting a legal limit. There is some amount of perseverance involved. You are still a sportsman in my mind, even if I think they over harvest when they can.

Every region of the country has some crazy easy method to target the most elite fish in the watershed. In the upper Midwest it is dark house spearing. Drag a shack on the ice to make it dark, cut a hole in ice, place a decoy and wait for a huge pike to show up. They are lethargic in the near freezing water and move slow. Then stab the largest you can with a spear (basically a large frog gig). There is no catch and release. For your minimal trouble you can eat a 20yr old 40" fish. Actually you can't anymore because there is only one lake out of the 13,000 lakes in Minnesota left with a reasonable shot at a 40" fish. There used to be 100s of lakes where you could chase a trophy not so long ago. They have slot limits now that the truly elite fish are already gone. When nobody desires to spend tourism dollars in AK anymore they will finally eliminate the easy salmon methods. Then wait a generation for some hope of recovery.
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I don't have a problem with dip netting on the Copper river, that river is so silty that fishing of any kind is extremely difficult, but the Kenai is a totally different resource that needs more protection. When I lived in Alaska I was totally floored when I learned that they allowed dip netting there at the mouth of the river, and Alaska Fish and Game wonders what is happening to the fish!
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