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Old 01-05-2010, 10:38 AM
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I use 15# test mono all the time here for stripers
With clinch knot too and never 'improved'
A clinch with 15# mono usually requires three or three and a half turns only, not the recommended five.

When you're making the wraps and begin to feel resistance from the mono, you know you've made enough. If you go too far, the mono will begin to feel stiff and hard to manage
When you've made too many turns, the clinch knot or any other knot with barrel wraps (like a blood knot) will not tighten correctly and it will slip.

And a knot that slips is a knot that breaks

You should only use knots that you have confidence tying.
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Thanks for the info, but what is a, uni? The polomar look very good.
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Here's a pretty good site for knots. I didn't look at the palomar though. the uni knot is down toward the bottom.

A Uni to uni is also a good knot for tying up leaders instead of the blood knot. The tag end does not stick out sideways like on blood knots and tends not to pick up weeds so bad.

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I use the UNI knot almost exclusively to tie on flies, and while I have not done it yet, I think it would be great to tie tippet to leader. or leader to leader. I have a tapered leader that I need to add some tippet to, gonna give WJCs idea a shot.

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Old 01-05-2010, 07:08 PM
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D, I think you'll like it.

Tjc, I just checked that site out a bit more, and they have the palomar wrong. I also don't like the way they tie the Albright either, at least not for big fish- and you might get back to Florida some day for tarpon or sailfish. But even for mackerel, kingfish or sharks, it's a good way to tie tippet to wire.

I think the Albright should be tied with the standing end and the tag end going through the loop in opposite directions, and then the tag end should be tied around the standing end either with a double overhand knot or a three turn nail knot.

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Both the standing line and the tag end enter and exit the loop on an Albright knot on the same side, exactly like the illustration in the link.
I don't see anything wrong with the palomar either although that's not a knot that I use.
To 'lock' your Albright knot, you want use a uni knot, not a nail knot and definitely not overhand knots

http://www.animatedknots.com/albrigh...matedknots.com
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Hi Everyone,

In regards to the Albright knot, I agree with Lefty and Rip Tide that the line must enter and exit the loop from the same side. I would tie it just like the illustration.

I agree with wjc that the illustrated Palomar is not the way I would tie it. The knot needs to be in front of the hook eye, not tied over the eye. The first picture shows the correct way to tie a Palomar knot. I would also add that a Palomar can slip when tied using braided line like Spectra. With braided Spectra line you need to tie my double Palomar.

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The reason I run the tag and standing ends out opposite sides on an Albright is so I can tie a lock knot with the tag end. I don't like the idea of having the entire knot dependent on the main line loop or wire bite tippet locking in a short snipped tag.

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The reason I run the tag and standing ends out opposite sides on an Albright is so I can tie a lock knot with the tag end. I don't like the idea of having the entire knot dependent on the main line loop or wire bite tippet locking in a short snipped tag.

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I lock mine also, a trick I learned from Lefty ( I think)
I still tie the basic Albright the same as in the illustrations however
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Hi Jim,

I learned to tie the Albright from Lefty's book. He states that unless you go back through the loop the same side that you entered the knot is not as strong. He has tested all of the knots in his book and I have always tied it that way. Lefty is the only instruction I could find that takes the tag end after it is returned through the loop and ties a small keeper knot. Here is how he does it.

He forms a small loop with the tag end and then wraps the tag around the main line inside of the loop he formed. Wrapping back towards the main Albright knot. Pulling the tag end to tighten the keeper knot back towards the Albright knot. The keeper knot will tighten up against the Albright knot. Trim the ends and you are good to go. This is how I have always tied it and don't ever remember it failing.

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