Originally Posted by wt bash
Silver Creek, interesting stuff. I can see the how and why a little clearer now. Not to be cross but it still sounds like a more complicated form of tight line nymphing. The only difference I see is an extra fly or two and a specialized leader coupled with a longer rod. The basic principals still apply, or am I still off? I'm not trying to be a jerk, if it seems that way I'm just trying to understand the method a little better.
I don't think you are jerk nor being argumentative. However, I don't think you have sufficiently defined what tight line nymphing means in the vernacular of nymphing.
You refer to tight line nymphing. It would be helpful to me and to you if you described what you mean by that. Allow me to help you define it by asking you what you mean by "tight line nymphing"
Specifically, what water types are fished? Are there any limits on the water depth that can be fished? Are the flies moved faster, slower, or at the speed of the drift? Are the flies held back or are the "dragged" downstream? Is the line at a lateral angle to the rod tip, angled toward or away from the bank or directly above where the line enters the water? Are there design limits to the flies that can be used or can any fly be used? Does the leader have split shot or added weight? How is the leader designed? Does the leader have an in-line indicator of any type? Where and how far is are the flies cast? At what angle? Is there a "pre-strike" or induced take incorporated into the method? Where do you move to next after fishing a section? How is the fly rod held during the drift - mid, low or high? What is rod angle to the water during the fly - level, up or down?
Is there another description you can give to what you call tight line nymphing - specifically, is it high sticking? Is it the Brooks method? Exactly what is it?
Unless you can answer the above questions for me, and you can precisely define what you think tight line nymphing is, other than the line is tight; you cannot understand the many differences between what you have termed tight line nymphing and what Czech nymphing and how the other forms of Euronymphing differ from each other. It is not a matter of intelligence, but knowledge gained by reading and doing.
If I were to make an analogy to what you are saying - I could call Czech nymphing fly fishing and say there is no difference between it and streamer or dry fly fishing. They are all done with a fly rod and a fly so they must be the same. That is true, but obviously, it does not make them the same. There is a rule of logic that says words that share a common feature(s) need not be identical.
It goes to how specific you want to define a term. I believe there are significant differences between the French and Czech methods, never mind what you term tight line nymphing and Czech nymphing, which I believe have greater differences.
We have discussions about what strike indicators are are the best, for gosh sakes, and what is the best fly line for a particular rod. Or the best leader design. If you believe fly line designs differ, or that a sparkle dun is more effective than a comparadun; they are much closer to each other than what I think you mean by tight line nymphing and the Euronymphing methods.
This is not just theoretical gibberish. There is a great value to being specific. If I caught fish on a trip and you did not, and you asked me what I used, and I said a fly; would that help you? What if I said it was a nymph, how much help would that be? What if I told you the name, but not the size? What if I also told you the size, but not the color? What if I told you also told you the color, but not how it was rigged? What if I told you I was Czech nymphing, but you did not know what that meant?
Czech, Spanish and French nymphing refer to specific methods of fishing; and by their specificity, they tell a person that understands the term exactly how the flies are fished, the type of leader, how to cast, how to retrieve, and even the water type that was fished etc, etc; all because of the specificity of the term. Tight line nymphing does not, and cannot ever do that.
The concept of "tight line nymphing" was well known before Vladi Trzebunia, the originator of Polish Nymphing, personally outscored the next three teams combined, proving that this type of nymphing is different than anything that preceded it. No further "proof" is needed. This is like an unheard of baseball player hitting more home runs than the next three entire teams. It simply cannot be a random occurrence but a new way to present the fly to a fish.
The fact that the other European teams adopted this method and expanded it shows that it is a differs from what came before.
Rather that go on, I suggest you go to the best Euronymphing site, Trout Predator
and read these introductory threads:
European or Czech Nymphing Introduction
Czech or Polish Nymphing
Loren Williams, a member of the USA Fly Fishing Team chimes in on pg 5 and begins taking questions:
Czech or Polish Nymphing