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Old 02-13-2009, 03:15 PM
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Has anyone had any experience with these 2 mm Mini-Tippit Rings? They say they're so small and light that they won't weigh down a dry fly. Might be a simple way to have an attachment point to which two (or more, if legal where you fish) droppers could be tied.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:29 PM
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Joni - neat! But how do you attach the mono loop so that it won't come loose if the dropper ends up taking a big one?


I run it down both sides of the hook then cover it with tight thread wraps, add a dab of Zap-A-Gap, and it ain't going anywhere. Kind of like the Chinese finger tube thingies, I think that pulling on it which will not be straight on, it tightens up more.
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I run it down both sides of the hook then cover it with tight thread wraps, add a dab of Zap-A-Gap, and it ain't going anywhere. Kind of like the Chinese finger tube thingies, I think that pulling on it which will not be straight on, it tightens up more.
Interesting . . . wouldn't have thought it would have held so well. I suppose a thread base on the hook shank before applying the Zap-A-Gap, mono and thread-wrapping it would make it even more secure.
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Has anyone had any experience with these 2 mm Mini-Tippit Rings? They say they're so small and light that they won't weigh down a dry fly. Might be a simple way to have an attachment point to which two (or more, if legal where you fish) droppers could be tied.
That is what I use on my Furled leaders!
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After reading all of these it seems none of them are ideal. It seems like there are 2 problems presntation and strength of both flys before and after a hit. I'm gonna stick with using a different tippet material since my problem was the line breaking and a larger Dry fly and hook and keep tying to the hook of the dry fly. Maybe as I gain experience I'll be able to try different ideas.
Joni i'd give you the most innovative of all award with the loop, but Whizzer got to get the Budweiser of the week trophy for his sliding dry fly system...
They were all interesting and all probably work and its amazing how different minds find such different solutions for the same problem. When I posted this I thought there was one common system everyone was using and I just couldn't locate it.
Since everyone that is interested in Tandems is participating in this thread I have another question to ask instead of starting another thread.
It's mending the line with a tandem rig. I'm just getting into this and have read you mend different for a dry than a wet fly. How do you mend the tandem? I have been concentrating on using the dry as my indicator but i'm not getting my line where I want it. If I go for the wet I cause a lot of surface disturbance with the dry, possibly spooking the fish. So plain and simple do you mend for the dry or wet?
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:39 PM
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hey wildcat,

well, i'm still a tad woozy from the bud, but i'll give it a shot(jack in the black!). i mend for the nymph or midge. most of the time my dry/dropper set up is using the dry as an indicator that can hook-up. the dry also helps me determine when top water activity may be starting. so i fish the nymph and let the dry do what it does. to me mending to keep the dead drift working is critical. mend early/mend often! is what the guides keep hollerin' at me. when i do as they say i catch a lot more fish!!

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Hi to all,

I am like Whizzer. The dry fly is an indicator and suspends the nymph or midge at the depth I want it. That is why I use a size 10 or bigger dry fly. I still get fish on the indicator but mostly the suspended fly.

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Whizzer, that was the most profound explanation of mending I have heard, mend early/mend often and I am definatley using too small of a dry. I didn't even know about this technique but after researching it I said 'I better start to include this in my plan'. I've gotten pretty smooth with the single dry, some of my excessive uncontrollable fly movement on the tandem may have been due to the too small dry i'm floating on top. I wasn't getting the placement of the line from the mend I wanted and I do now think it was because of the mis-matched setup of the two flies I'm using. Thanks, i'll probably still get a lot of lousy mends but a lot of that will be technique. I may not catch a lot of fish yet, but I scare a lot of them when I'm there.
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Ok, I'm a rookie, so don't flame me

I just started doing tandems, and have only done it on one outing, but my buddy showed this way to me and it seems to work ok.

tie on 1.5 feet of tippet, slide your indicator fly onto the tippet, the knot between tippet and leader will not let it slide up the leader, slide the indicator fly on (threading through the top of the fly so it rides right side up on the water. About four to six inches below the indicator fly, tie another knot in the tippet to keep the indicator fly from sliding down the tippet. This give 3 to 6 inches of play in the tippet for the indicator fly to slide up and down the tippet. At the end of the tippet, tie on your dropper fly.

I am told that this allows the indicator to move more freely and naturally, though I am not experienced enough to be able to tell if this is true or not.

I have not, nor have I seen anyone catch a fish on the indicator fly, so I don't know if the leader keeps them from doing so, in essence acting like a strike indicator more then a second fly, or what would happen if a big fish hit the indicator. My suspicion is it would pull the indicator down the tippet if the knot were not big enough to stop it.

I have had the thought that if the fish are tippet shy, maybe you could tie on a longer tippet, knot it a foot or so away from the leader, slide on the fly, knot a few inches below the indicator, and then tie the dropper on at the end of the tippet.

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