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wabi 03-07-2012 08:26 AM

what is it?
 
I'll admit it right up front - I know almost nothing about identifying the "bugs" I encounter or hear about being imitated. :o
I'm in hopes I can gain some knowledge from this forum. :)

Saw a few of these when I was fishing at the local lake the other evening and am curious as to what they are and if an imitation of them would catch fish.

http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/s...i_pics/bug.jpg

Rip Tide 03-07-2012 08:42 AM

Re: what is it?
 
The "little black stonefly"
The most common hatch this time of year
There's brown ones too but they're still collectively known as "black"

peregrines 03-07-2012 12:24 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Yup, what Riptide said.:)

The nymphs of early black and early brown stoneflies are active this tiem of year. They're dark and a lot skinnier slender than most other stonefly nymphs.
A "Pheasant Tail Nymph" tied with dark brown turkey tail fibers is a good imitation. A 3xl size 14 hook weighted with nontoxic wire and a black bead head helps to to get it down in fast water that the nymphs prefer.

Other dark nymphs about that size tied with peacock herl like Prince Nymphs, Zug Bugs, wire bodied stuff like Black Copper Johns etc or dubbed dark black or brown patterns are a good choice.

Here's a better imitation tied up by member Smalliesrule for our Nymph Fly Swap that's in progress:

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...ever/lbsf2.jpg

Personnally I haven't had as much luck with the dries for this hatch but there's a Black Caddis (Chimera aterima) around size 16 that hatches about the same time, so some dark caddis patterns are worth trying too.

A better imitation for the adults is a size 16 black or dark brown Dancing Caddis on a 2xl or 3xl light wire hook (like a Tiemco 200R). If you tie, here's a link to it in the pattern library: http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/fo...dis.html?ltr=D

smalliesrule 03-07-2012 02:05 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peregrines (Post 409734)
Yup, what Riptide said.:)

The nymphs of early black and early brown stoneflies are active this tiem of year. They're dark and a lot skinnier slender than most other stonefly nymphs.
A "Pheasant Tail Nymph" tied with dark brown turkey tail fibers is a good imitation. A 3xl size 14 hook weighted with nontoxic wire and a black bead head helps to to get it down in fast water that the nymphs prefer.

Other dark nymphs about that size tied with peacock herl like Prince Nymphs, Zug Bugs, wire bodied stuff like Black Copper Johns etc or dubbed dark black or brown patterns are a good choice.

Here's a better imitation tied up by member Stimulator2 for our Nymph Fly Swap that's in progress:

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/z...ever/lbsf2.jpg

Personnally I haven't had as much luck with the dries for this hatch but there's a Black Caddis (Chimera aterima) around size 16 that hatches about the same time, so some dark caddis patterns are worth trying too.

A better imitation for the adults is a size 16 black or dark brown Dancing Caddis on a 2xl or 3xl light wire hook (like a Tiemco 200R) http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/fo...dis.html?ltr=D

Hey HEY HEY! I tied those little black stone flies:)
Stan SmalliesRule

peregrines 03-07-2012 02:46 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Sorry Stan-- fixed!

gatortransplant 03-07-2012 08:40 PM

Re: what is it?
 
I tied a dozen black stone dries yesterday too. Plus the black stone nymph patterns have been working a treat with steelies all over the Great Lakes, it seems.

iciclecreek 03-15-2012 09:01 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Stone flies only hatch moving water and cant live in sandy/silky ect water... so that leaves only one conclusion, that did not come from your "local lake" that came from your "local river"

chuck s 03-18-2012 07:21 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Insects (Insecta) Stonefly larvae (Plecoptera) Stoneflies ... Some species may be found along lake shores with wave action (Peckarsky et al. 1990).

With that out of the way, did the fly shown have two tails? From the picture it may also be a Dobson Fly, female. (grown up Hellgrammite)

Hardyreels 03-18-2012 07:37 PM

Re: what is it?
 
Chuck, and Mike,

I think that a Dobson Fly has more of a delta wing when at rest. That sure looks like a stone fly but it's true that they like moving water as per iceclecreek's post. I don't remember stones on still water but there may well be populations that live in lakes that have a rocky shore line strata. So.............Mike, is the lake a rocky bottom near shore?

Something else I'd ask is, how big was the bug in the picture?

ard

Rip Tide 03-19-2012 09:11 AM

Re: what is it?
 
Dobson flies are huge and ugly. Unmistakeable. The stuff of nightmares.
Nocturnal too.


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