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Old 08-05-2010, 12:22 AM
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In reality, I'd just as soon fish where there are no bears to pi$$ off.
Agreed, but unfortunately for me that would mean staying home
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My friend is heading out to Yellowstone this month. With the recent bear attack he is planning on being prepared. He is taking both a 13oz can of bear spray in a holster and a 12 gauge shotgun. As mentioned, gun weight can be an issue, so he took a lightweight pump, installed an 18" slug barrel and also installed a synthetic stock and forearm, total weight is now 6-1/4 lbs. Hanging the whole thing behind his shooting shoulder with a "quick-shot" sling, he says he can get it into service in less than 2 seconds (of course I razzed him a bit that the 2 sec. time was NOT with a bear charging him!)

He is taking Brenneke Black Magic slugs - with that light of a gun they will probably kick like heck, but if there is a bear charging I doubt if he will notice any recoil!
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I put about 20 rounds of that Buffalo Bore 305 gr. downrange yesterday with a timer. The target was out to 30 ft and from a leather thumbsnap holster draw DA to 3rd shot was 3 sec. 1st shot was 1.78sec, sec. 2.22 and 3rd right at 3. Temps were in the mid 90s and it was hard to hang on with sweaty palms but I'm trying to get that to about 2.5 or better for all 3 shots to a shoulder. Grouping averaged about 3". This loading is very accurate on single action. The load is manageable but takes some getting used to. Having a kydex holster would speed things quite quickly but turn around was 3-4 weeks from Bladetech. I could probably manage a 1.2 first shot with that. Again, my aim to to fish, fish and fish. These other steps are secondary...
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I put about 20 rounds of that Buffalo Bore 305 gr. downrange yesterday with a timer. The target was out to 30 ft and from a leather thumbsnap holster draw DA to 3rd shot was 3 sec. 1st shot was 1.78sec, sec. 2.22 and 3rd right at 3. Temps were in the mid 90s and it was hard to hang on with sweaty palms but I'm trying to get that to about 2.5 or better for all 3 shots to a shoulder. Grouping averaged about 3". This loading is very accurate on single action. The load is manageable but takes some getting used to. Having a kydex holster would speed things quite quickly but turn around was 3-4 weeks from Bladetech. I could probably manage a 1.2 first shot with that. Again, my aim to to fish, fish and fish. These other steps are secondary...
Can't complain about that!
I used to shoot IPSC & those are nice times with that holster, ammo, & accuracy.
One thing to remember for mental preperation though, you won't be shooting at a shoulder(at least on the 1st shot), but at the brain or spine. Shoulder shots only happen on broadside animals & it's hard to convince park officials (Or State Troopers here in Alaska) that a broadside animal was a real life or death situation.
I didn't see you mention what gun you are shooting.
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It's a S & W 629 with a 6" barrel. As far as the first shot, I thought your goal was to immobilize rather than hope for a head shot in a very thick skulled animal. I caught a glimpse of a charging grizz coming at the camera and it's a fast animal. If the head shot is iffy why wouldn't a shoulder shot not be preferred? I could surmise that missing a head shot would give you either shoulder and the chest 75% of the time vs. the shoulder alone. I could not find bear targets to practice on so I'm using USPSA & NRA targets. I should be practicing my casts instead but I do want to remember these trips as well. I hope it's evident though that, at least with me, one doesn't just pick up the 'roscoe' and head out on the trail and expect to be competent. Just like heading to a blue ribbon river without having the right flies, rod or gear-and practice.
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The problem is that in order to immobilize you pretty much have to disrupt the CNS or break both front shoulders. A brown or grizzly bear with one shattered shoulder usually keeps right on going. They take amazing hits from high caliber rifles in the shoulders & take off at a dead run. On a charging bear a shoulder shot most likely will not slow it to any dergree. It would be hard to break a shoulder on a charging bear. A chest shot might kill it but the odds are very low that it would stop it in the next minute or so.
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The problem is that in order to immobilize you pretty much have to disrupt the CNS or break both front shoulders. A brown or grizzly bear with one shattered shoulder usually keeps right on going. They take amazing hits from high caliber rifles in the shoulders & take off at a dead run. On a charging bear a shoulder shot most likely will not slow it to any degree. It would be hard to break a shoulder on a charging bear. A chest shot might kill it but the odds are very low that it would stop it in the next minute or so.
Interesting . . . what would you recommend to stop a brown bear or grizzly (Wyoming, not Alaska)? Would a handgun work at all? I'm now thinking of my Desert Eagle with a .50AE cal. barrel fitted, the heaviest bullet available for that configuration being a 350-grain jacketed soft point (not the penetration round I'd choose for bear), instead of my current .44 mag with a 240-grain JSP? (BTW, since we'll only be day fishing in the Grand Tetons and not camping or taking long back-country hikes, pepper spray will still be my preferred recourse, but if all else fails . . .).
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Interesting . . . what would you recommend to stop a brown bear or grizzly (Wyoming, not Alaska)? Would a handgun work at all? I'm now thinking of my Desert Eagle with a .50AE cal. barrel fitted, the heaviest bullet available for that configuration being a 350-grain jacketed soft point (not the penetration round I'd choose for bear), instead of my current .44 mag with a 240-grain JSP? (BTW, since we'll only be day fishing in the Grand Tetons and not camping or taking long back-country hikes, pepper spray will still be my preferred recourse, but if all else fails . . .).

I do know guys up here in Alaska that have stopped good sized brownied with 454s, 44 mags, 45 colts (loaded heavy), & even 10mm autos.
Common denominator is hard, heavy for caliber bullets with wide flat noses driven at max safe velocity & placed somewhere in the CNS (brain, spine.)
454s, 460 Rowans(sp?), heavy 45 Colts, 44 mags, 480 Rugers, & any of the 50s or 460 S&W are all popular up here.
Handguns will work, it's just a matter of the right bullet in the right place.
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Fwiw, I would look at the LBT-style 300 gr. bullets for the .44, which have worked splendidly for me in the past. I've never shot a grizzly with them, but they penetrate unlike anything short of the Keith-style SWC but with much more weight (I'm ruling out round nose designs and trocar-style armor penetrators).

Using the S&W, mind the full-velocity loads. With handloads like these I'm talking about, you can expect a service life of around 1000 rounds before you stretch the crane out of tolerance on that design. I had a Ruger Bisley Blackhawk I cut down to 5 1/2" and Magna-Ported that would eat those rounds all day long. That Bisley grip helped the recoil tremendously, too.

My realistic choice for that environment? A 590A1 Mossberg loaded with 2 3/4" high-brass #00 buck. Multiple instantaneous hits will flat disconnect the CNS and require a complete reboot. By the time the system comes back on, hypovolemic shock has set in and, well, game over.

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