[Kai]

No breathable waders will disperse moisture when they are under the water. If you are standing in a stream all day long, your waders won't "breathe" the moisture laden air into the creek. This is the same for all waders, including Gore-tex and whatever proprietary fabrics other companies use (whether they're made in China or Bozeman.) In order to move vapor from one side of the permeable membrane to the other, there has to be a pressure gradient, with more pressure on the inside than the outside. When you're standing in water, there is greater pressure on the outside, not the inside, and there is no possible way for the vapor to move to the outside, as in order to do so, it would have to flow from a low pressure enviroment into a high pressure environment, which is simply not possible.

Even if you are not constantly standing in a creek, if you are consistently wet enough that the outer fabric of your waders gets soaked through, then the waders will not breath well until the face fabric has had the opportunity to dry. That is why new waders "breathe" better than old waders. The new waders come with a durable water repellant ("dwr") finish that protects the outer facing fabric and allows it to resist wetting out and promotes faster drying. This dwr is worn off over time with abrasion, so the fabric "wets out" hindering the vapor transport. Washing your waders and then re-applying a dwr coating will, in many cases, improve the performance of your waders.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by OldMan

Listen. This started as a joke on my part, but just like you two did on the Winston forum, you insist on ganging up and pushing an issue that isn't important.

So, you worked up a sweat in a tube on a lake. You're exercising by propelling the tube and your in the sun. How would this compare to standing in the shade on a stream?

Your "poor picked on Pete" crap won't fly here. You are a master of twisting words around to benefit "poor Pete". You seem to want to later tell everyone you're just joking and that you're being attacked. These people here aren't that stupid.
No one here is ganging up on you, yet you insist we are. Come on now Old Man, Gramps, Pete. You ain't that old and decrepit. Or you wouldn't be fishing ever day at 11,000 ft. BTW, I really don't mean anything here. After all, I'm just joking with you. Just a little friendly banter from an old buddy.

[OldMan]

Originally Posted by mojo

Your "poor picked on Pete" crap won't fly here. You are a master of twisting words around to benefit "poor Pete". You seem to want to later tell everyone you're just joking and that you're being attacked. These people here aren't that stupid.
No one here is ganging up on you, yet you insist we are. Come on now Old Man, Gramps, Pete. You ain't that old and decrepit. Or you wouldn't be fishing ever day at 11,000 ft. BTW, I really don't mean anything here. After all, I'm just joking with you. Just a little friendly banter from an old buddy.

I rest my case with this post of yours. You call me a liar and wait for a reaction. Then you come back with a post like this. I would hope people here aren't stupid enough to see your game either.

I didn't say anything about being picked on. I'm not a baby. I just don't feel these petty arguments belong on a fishing forum. You got banned off of FAOL. it should happen everywhere for you. All you do is case trouble. The trouble I have on forums is usually from you. You're not known for joking, and I didn't see anybody laughing on the Winston forum. I have a rep for fooling around. It's only when someone doesn't get it that problems happen.

It's a good thing I love fly fishing, because fly fishing forums sure aren't fun with guys like you on them.

[Joni]

I don't have a rep for being a trouble maker, have not been banned, and still go to said forum that you might not have been banned from, but chose to quit posting, cause you got called to the table which you didn't like there either.
As far as the Winston forum, they just get a kick out of you...some even feel sorry.

Anyway, back to the post

First thing....NO LEVIS under waders or anything cotton
second 80 degrees IS the same no matter how high you are.
Wash your waders once in awhile and re dress them if needed.
KAI, very, very nice break down...I forgot all about the unbreathable under water, but I did know that. Thanks for posting that.

Sorry all this got personal. Buttons did get pushed.
We should be done here.

[OldMan]

Originally Posted by Joni

I don't have a rep for being a trouble maker, have not been banned, and still go to said forum that you might not have been banned from, but chose to quit posting, cause you got called to the table which you didn't like there either.
As far as the Winston forum, they just get a kick out of you...some even feel sorry.

Anyway, back to the post

First thing....NO LEVIS under waders or anything cotton
second 80 degrees IS the same no matter how high you are.
Wash your waders once in awhile and re dress them if needed.
KAI, very, very nice break down...I forgot all about the unbreathable under water, but I did know that. Thanks for posting that.

Sorry all this got personal. Buttons did get pushed.
We should be done here.

I didn't get called out on FAOL, and that's not why I stopped posting there. Doug told a bunch of lies with nothing backing them up. I left, because JC wouldn't do anything about it. You can ask JC about that. You hardly ever get anything right Joni, and all your husband can do is throw around personal insults. I'll use this thread as an example. I've never been banned from a forum He can't say the same thing.

I do grow tired of this crap though. I do have another fishing forum i've been on for a couple of years with no problems. I'm sure part of the reason is you two aren't on it.

Later.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by OldMan

I didn't get called out on FAOL, and that's not why I stopped posting there. Doug told a bunch of lies with nothing backing them up. I left, because JC wouldn't do anything about it. You can ask JC about that. You hardly ever get anything right Joni, and all your husband can do is throw around personal insults. I'll use this thread as an example. I've never been banned from a forum He can't say the same thing.

I do grow tired of this crap though. I do have another fishing forum i've been on for a couple of years with no problems. I'm sure part of the reason is you two aren't on it.

Later.

Ho, hum

[Kai]

I was banned from FAOL, (and I'm proud of it.) I committed the unpardonable FAOL sin of recommending some gear made by a company (William Joseph) that was not a FAOL sponsor.

[yatahey]

Where do I fish? Dream Stream, not a tree in 20 miles. Deckers few trees and the willows are only 8' tall. Cheeseman Canyon, few low willows high cliffs don't offer shade till November when you don't want it. Elevenmile Canyon same thing, high cliffs not much shade till late fall.

[Frank Whiton]

Hi to all,

There is some really interesting information in this thread but some comments are distracting from the subject. Can't we discuss this subject with out derogatory comments about each other?

Please. lets stick to the subject.

Kai, great point about breathing waders in the water. The advantage of breathable waders comes into play when you are hiking to or from a fishing spot or when rowing a boat or running from a bear. The running from a bear is a joke, never run from a bear.

Frank

[OldMan]

I agree that the water would prevent the wader from breathing that's in the water. however, if you were deep enough to cover most of the wader the water itself would keep you cool. If you weren't deep whatever wader isn't in the water needs to breath.

As Frank pointed out. Waders become hot when we're not in the water at all. My kind of fishing requires a lot of hiking.

As mentioned before. For my build. The Simms fit me better.