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Published by dougm
03-06-2005 |
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#1
By
idabelangler
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10-04-2005, 03:47 PM
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I've tried the cortland sylk line in a wf 6 and can't begin to tell you how much I dislike this line. It was billed as a line for bamboo rods so I jumped on it. A local fly shop only carried it in wt forward so I bought that and gave it a try. It took a good 45-50+ feet of line out before it would load a 6wt cane rod, I spooked trout 20ft away from me trying to make a decent short dry fly cast. I bet a DT would be a better choice but for as much as it cost I could buy the great Cortland 444 DT Peach and be satisfied.
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#2
By
Fish Bones
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10-04-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
Interesting... two different points of view. I have not cast the Sylk line so I can't make an accurate judgement as to its castability. However, it is my very best selling fly line... and I don't push it either. So far... no complaints.
Thanks for your comments guys. Steve |
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#3
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dougm
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10-04-2005, 08:53 PM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
I seriously doubt that you would stand and show us your casting acumen. You have already offered us details on your inability to adapt your stoke - if you have one - to the cast.
Your snide comments are just that -- snide. I note your "knowledgeable" experience failed to note details about your rod. It seems apparent to me that you know little about fly casting. |
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#4
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DAVY WOTTON
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10-05-2005, 12:57 AM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
Intersting statements coming forth here regarding the use of this line. Which as yet l have not used, but will do so in the very near future.
And with respect to both parties l will form my own opinion on this issue. And that will be related to many factors, such as many of those indicated by the review given. It may well be that the dislike for the line was due to casting ability, combination of rod and line weight used. I do know which of those was the real reason for dislike of that line. I was not there to witness the occasion. I do know that what may suit one may not be so for another using the same rod and line combination. I am also a musician, l have a beloved 1930 Gibson mastertone banjo. I can do all l want with that instrument. Give me a banjo of a lesser quality and l cannot. The reason being that the playability of that banjo will not allow me to move around the fret board in the same way. It is the degree of sense of feel if you like. And l am of the opinion that the same applies to the user of a fly rod. What may work for me may not do so for another, for one reason or the other. Of course l can be objective in so far as giving my personal opinion. That was in fact the case a few days ago when a client came to me for Spey casting lessons. He belived that the line wt was not correct for that rod. In my opinion it was because l could easily set a roll cast out 40 yards with it , and by other means of spiral casts do all l required of that rod and line combination. My client was not able to develope the sense of feel to load that rod and therafter use the rod to it full potential as a casting tool. And he may never do so unless he can develope what is needed to do so. But he may well try another set up and do better with it. I will admit for myself having been in this business as a pro fly fisherman since the 1960s, that l tend to forget, much that is second nature to me. When for the majority of guys who fish it is hard work to achieve high levels of skill. But they are all entitled to state their case, one way or the other. I may choose to differ from what they say based on my choices and background knowledge and acquired skills. It would have been more polite to have furthered the reasoning why the dislike came about, other than those put forward. I do not pretend to know all the answers and there is no one out there who has cast a fly line that does or ever will !!! But there is progression based on of course many factors, such as those that are now considered historical, tackle design, techniques and personal experiences to name a few. Davy Wotton. Ok, l got carried away on the previous post. l had intended to add some further comments there related to the line. I assume that there is some technical data related to the given weight of that line for a given length. In that case a comparison may be made against other modern manufactured lines. For sure there has to be a related balance between the fly line wt and the rod used. I have had other fly fishers tell me the same thing, that they could not get the rod used to load, that they also felt the line was underrated given the line weight stated. But it may well be the manner in which they were casting. I was not there to see what they were doing. I love to fish with a silk line as there is nothing to compare with it, so far as l am concerned. Interesting the line is marketed as a line for bamboo rod users. Those of you who have never fished with a bamboo rod will of course not be aware of how very different the action is compared to the majority of carbon rods out there. In fact l used to fish back in early days with a number of Hardy bamboo rods and then the fibatube series. Overall l prefer the action of a more mid flex slow action rod. Do not think such a rod will not cast a fly line out of sight,it will if you can adapt to the action of the rod and the technique to use it. Most of my general trout fishing is within a cast of 60ft. Should l require the use of a rod for fishing sunkline or long range, then l may choose another set up. You makes your choices and pays your money. What may work for one may not be so for another. Davy Wotton. |
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#5
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freeze69
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10-05-2005, 02:46 AM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
i purchased cortland sylk in a dt5f for my cortland. between that and reading doug's casting instructions i can cast about 50 to 60 feet depending on the conditions and the fly i'm using. being a complete novice to the sport i must say that between doug's instructions and his suggesting using the sylk line has greatly improved my casting ability. can't wait to get a chance next year to try out bigdon's st. croix 5wt. going to be interested to see what kind of cast i get with that. as far as the sylk i have to say that it was money well spent.
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#6
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idabelangler
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10-05-2005, 10:20 AM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
rwowww Doug! I give my view on the line and get jumped on. I didn't think my comment was snide at all. Personally I'm happy with the way I cast, I can catch fish and enjoy my day on the water. All I need is a nice line on my cane rods and the wf sylk line didn't cut it for me.
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#7
By
BigCliff
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10-05-2005, 10:44 AM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
I went back and read the second post and found nothing in it but an account of personal opinion of a aforementioned product. I understood our friend from Idabel to mean that his experience was just different and that it didn't suit him. He didn't attempt to state any opinions about the product as fact (as in "this line is crap and the reviewer is full of the same") but rather clarified that it didn't suit him. I will admit that it might have been more gracious to thank Doug for his contribution before disagreeing, but I don't think the comment was horribly out of line or anything. I haven't cast the line yet myself, so I can't say which opinion I agree with.
The one thing I have learned from observing many discussions/debates about rods and lines is that rod "load" is a relative term that will be different in many ways for many people. "Load" is often referred to as a precise measurable constant from one caster to the next, but I don't think this is the case. How much "load" we all prefer in a rod varies quite a lot. This is why they make rods that range from buggy-whips to broomsticks and lines with different belly lengths. On top of that, some anglers prefer to overline every rod they've got, and a major line mfg has recently started offering lines in half weights to suit those with still different load preferences. Personally, I can't get excited about fishing a 6wt bamboo rod ever, but there are thousands of bamboo fans out there who couldn't imagine fishing a 5wt Sage XP for trout. (that happens to be Sage's best selling rod ever) We all like different rods for different reasons and that's why we have so many to pick from when buying a rod. For all those different rods we all have dozens of different lines to pair them up with to suit our different preferences as well. The first caster famous for his distance casting ability was Lee Wulff, who did so with short bamboo rods. The current champ likes long stiff graphite sticks. Fly fishing is riddled with sitioations where there is multiple ways to skin a cat, and that's why we like it so much. |
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#8
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idabelangler
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10-05-2005, 11:23 AM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
Here is what I ment to say:
Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it's influence. Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest. The selection of such food as will suit, and so serving it as to please a fastidious and fickle taste, still remain indispensably necessary to induce its acceptance. - Henry P. Wells, 1885 Please e-mail me if you have any comments or cuss words you have to say to me, for I won't be back to this message board to read them. Thanks |
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#9
By
dshort
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03-23-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: Cortland's 444 Sylk
I just recently learned of this line and am very interested in it as huge bamboo rod fan. I have previously used only the peach Cortland 444's on my rods and have been happy with those, but it's probably time for some new lines, especially on the 5 weights. I fish a couple of old Wright Mcgill Granger Favorites that take a 5 and a 6 weight and an Orvis 99 that also takes a 5 weight. I have heard some things about this line sticking to itself on the reel and becoming too limp when the weather gets warm. I also read a post on another forum that Cortland is aware of the problems and is in the process of fixing them. I was wondering if anyone has experienced these problems and if anyone knew anything about Cortland updating this product. If they're in the process of making it better, then I will probably wait till they do to give it a try.
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