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Published by dougm
03-19-2005 |
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#1
By
FowlHabit
on
06-10-2006, 01:56 AM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
dougm
This L2L system looks good, but I have a few questions on it that I hope you may be able to clear up for me. 1. After the tippet runs out on the prefab leaders can you use a roll of tippet material to replace it, or do you have to use the prefab leaders? 2. If you can replace the tippet with tippet off of a roll how do you reconnect the system? 3. Do you use this system for dry flies as well? If not, what type of fishing do you use it for? |
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#2
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dougm
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06-10-2006, 03:27 PM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
The L2L has been replaced by its product improved cousin, the Reconnect Tapered Leader System. Basically the difference between the two is simple: as the name implies, the latest version can be removed and used over again.
I’ve fished the L2L in its original form for well over a year and have never had a problem; in fact, if you find them at a discount, I suggest you load up. SA is well known for the high quality of their leader material. I like the think of the L2L as a 9-foot leader that’s made up with 7-feet of butt and mid-section with the remaining 2-feet comprising the tippet. The way I tie, that’s about 4 to 5 flies; at that point, I tie on a new piece of tippet material and continue to fish. I’m not very finicky whether the tippet material is made by whomever or simply just a piece of good old Stren – in the right diameter, of course… The L2L works equally well wet or dry. Doug P.S. You might also care to read my articles at: http://www.activeangler.com/articles...A_goodies2.asp |
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#3
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FowlHabit
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06-10-2006, 06:44 PM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
dougmI would like to thank you very much for your help with this. I did read your article on this but I still have a few questions for you if you've got the time.1. Are you still using this product? If you are, do you use it exclusively for 7 wt and under?2. Can you use other leader material with this system if you want a longer or sinking leader?I just left the local pro shop and they were not big fans of it, some even hated it. Thier reasons were:1. The connection will cause you to lose fish
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#4
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dougm
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06-10-2006, 07:43 PM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
I think that I've done more than an adequate job of explaining the L2L System ... Whoever told you that you will lose fish using the L2L is not a folk who you should have any regard for; if you do, that's a problem for you to reconcile with yourself. You can listen to anyone you care to and so far, are free to accept of reject their advice. Let's hope that continues...
This is not a debate! You asked for my comments and I responded with my best answer. I've already stated that I think a 5-weight line is the top of the range I would use the L2L; that's because of the variance in the thickness of the forward taper and whether it may of may not fit the connector. I also suggested that I use the L2L all the time without a hitch... Doug |
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#5
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FowlHabit
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06-11-2006, 12:26 AM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
dougm
Your hostile response to my question is perplexing. I am completely new to flyfishing and was just looking for some opinions, pro or con, and useful information on this product. I wasn't trying to bash you personally or even debate you. I was just asking you for your opinion on this product. The Scientific Anglers website and your column did not answer a few of the questions I had about it. Despite the negative reviews by my local pro shop, which I never said I agreed or disagreed with if you reread my earlier posts, I was still interested this product. Since you are the only one from this site responding to my question, I asked for your personal opinion. I'm sorry you have misinterpreted my questioning. |
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#6
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Jakeway
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06-11-2006, 08:38 PM
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Email and itnernet posts are known for people taking things in the wrong light. Stick with it, Doug is full of good advice and will be happy to help you out.
I just bought an L2L Reconnect and put it on my 4 weight. I'll try it out in the morning. I've had some "hinging" problems (where the stiffness difference between line and leader cause poor turnover) in the past with my hand-tied loop , and I hope the L2L corrects this. I'm also looking for the L2L to keep the end of the line floating high, and the strike-indicator function is an added bonus. |
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#7
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FowlHabit
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06-11-2006, 11:51 PM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
Jakeway
Thanks for adding your 2 cents into this topic for me. "Email and itnernet posts are known for people taking things in the wrong light." I guess so. I think part of the problem is I'm a total rookie at this and was not phrasing my question for him correctly. "I've had some "hinging" problems (where the stiffness difference between line and leader cause poor turnover) in the past". It's funny you should post this because today was my first time out flyfishing and I noticed this as a problem for me as well. I intentionally lined my reel with the same fly line that was on the reel from my casting class I took recently. So this one has me puzzled. I'm thinking it's the loop to loop connection of the fly line to leader but I could be wrong. I was also having a difficult time getting this loop to loop connection through my top eyelet. |
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#8
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Jakeway
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06-12-2006, 10:07 AM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
Results of my test: I found everything Doug said is true, though the strike indicator benefits for me was marginal. Mostly because 1) The connector happens to be the same color as my line (lime yellow) so it didn't stand out as well; 2) my eyes aren't as good as they used to be; 3) the casts were getting so much better that I couln't see that far anyway!
I was casting into a slight wind, and there were some trees behind me limiting my backcast, but I'd say the casts were going 15-20% farther with less effort, and much better turnover. I was using a 7.5' 3-4 wt rod, and was getting nice 35-40 foot casts, which is pretty good for me with that tackle and conditions. I'm confident I can do better with plenty of space, or from a boat. The connector did improve the floating, too. It stayed on top nicely when using dries or un-weighted nymphs. It broke below the film slightly when I used a beadhead wooly bugger, but certainly less than with the nail-knot connection. (I'm using a pretty low-cost line, and the tip tends to sag; I hope to get better line soon.) I had no problems with the connector catching on the guides, but I didn't catch any large fish to make that last run right at the end. BTW, I also managed to catch a couple smallmouths and a few panfish during the test. |
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#9
By
FowlHabit
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06-12-2006, 10:26 AM
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Re: Scientific Anglers L2L
Jakeway
Thanks for posting the results of your test. It sounds to me like you had a good day fishing as well. I guess my last concern for this product is can you modify the L2L Reconnect to add your own leader material if you want a longer leader than 9'? It doesn't say so in the Scientific Anglers website and it's difficult to tell from the pics on their site. |
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