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Old 12-19-2013, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: My Take on the Thunder & Lightening Slip Wing;

The hackles are too long
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Default Re: My Take on the Thunder & Lightening Slip Wing;

The hackles are too long.

Seriously, nice tie. Personally, I think everyone else makes the hackles too short.
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Default Re: My Take on the Thunder & Lightening Slip Wing;

If it works for you it works for me. That is the goal of everyone's tying. To please ourselves and not others.

RE the kicked up wing. Its likely due to a step down from where the hackles end to where the wing is tied in - the step kicks the wing up.
To remediate this you can do one of two things. Build up the area after the throat hackles with thread to be the same height as the hackle base.
Or, move the hackles forward to the head tie in point, and wrap thread back over them (this will also helf with the flow of the hackle toward the back of the fly). By doing this, you ensure the foundation for the wing is flat with no steps, thus they will not be kicked up. You an also try to hump the wings more before tie in if you want them really flat and parallel to the hook shank

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Ard that hair wing is really singin' to me. More good stuff from your bench buddy!
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Default Re: My Take on the Thunder & Lightening Slip Wing;

Awesome tie Ard!
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Default Re: My Take on the Thunder & Lightening Slip Wing;

Glad everyone liked that pattern

Eunan, I think it was the way I paired the wing. I had the body under that perfectly flat but when I bound the 2 sections I didn't allow for any angle. That left me with a butt to tie down that no matter how I tried, the 2 sections would stand right back up when I tightened the thread.

I may do another fly with the same winging and change the angle when binding them, that would be the best way to demonstrate what I mean. I'll take a picture of how I make a paired wing and post it along with the finished fly.

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Default Another Thunder & Lightening..... flat wing style

This one has a bronzed mallard wing but tied in the fashion I prefer; flat wing, whole feather.

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I turned the light on the body so I could get detail, getting better......
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This style wing I learned during the 1990's, it is taken from The pattern 'Western Doctor'. The same style enjoyed some play during the 1930's and 40's and I've seen it used on The Canadian Killer & Dr. Mummy streamer patterns as well. I've done the bronze mallard slip style wings and actually became half decent with that type wing but have found that using a well formed single flank feather provides a very good looking fly when in use and they are really tough because the quill is there holding it all together.

Here's a look at this type wing from above.
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My final comment on this wing is that every fly I've tied and fished made this way swims correctly and some of them have been extraordinary fish catchers for me

Hope you like the fly,

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Ard: Your turning into a tying machine!
Another awesome pattern, I really like the look of that flat wing.

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Beautious!!! I really need to take some time and fish some of these classic streamers. I never have and as a result, have no understanding of them or confidence in them. Maybe I'll focus my entire winter steelhead season on fishing these....
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Default Re: Another Thunder & Lightening..... flat wing style

Hi Guys,

I am making a bunch of these because the first 5 are going into a display that I've been needing to make for a couple years. I have the drift wood, I have the big glass dome and wooden base, now I have a set of flies all the same dressing but each a different style of the pattern. I have this tied on a tube and as a cut shank Intruder also. Now I need to tie a few more for my pocket box........

As far as using these and catching fish, it's just a matter of tying it on and then casting until a fish takes hold of the fly
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