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cb 01-10-2014 12:03 PM

The forgotten colour!
 
If you walk into a fly shop in the UK (at least) you will see dozens of different salmon patterns made from a combination of orange, black, yellow and red. With perhaps a few blues and some greens.

Claret - on the other hand seems as popular as a seal in the pool!

Yet - I love it! And so do salmon especially if there is a tinge of peat / sherry / tea colour in the water - very common here in Scotland.

I dont know why it seems to have dropped out of fashion - but thankfully nobody has told the salmon ! :thmbup:

littledavid123 01-10-2014 12:09 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
With over a million viewers for this site alone, after everyone reads your post I would expect to see them in all the fly shops. :eek:

Dave

Jimmie 01-10-2014 12:49 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Here in the U.S. I tried for a year to find a claret pheasant tail. It never happened.

mcnerney 01-10-2014 12:55 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie (Post 629633)
Here in the U.S. I tried for a year to find a claret pheasant tail. It never happened.

Jimmie: I bet Laurie could make it happen, he is always dying with special colors. Here is his web site if you want to contact him to see if he has claret or would be willing to dye some for you guys.

http://www.finneysflies.com/

Larry

Hardyreels 01-10-2014 01:05 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Hi Colin,

Claret is one of those old school custom colors which can be hard to come across. For most of my own use I must blend dyes and make the feathers to suit. I do use a fly regularly that comes quite close to a true claret, I call it a Red Head...........
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...edHead0001.jpg

For whatever reason the color of this fly is very well accepted by all species here although I've not used it for king salmon. Generally the kings fall to more brightly colored lures than other fishes.

This second fly is intended for trout fishing and the claret hackle is only a highlight in the collar. I do however have hopes that it will look good in the water and time will tell about that. At this time it is untried.
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps029726c8.jpg

I use a good many flies having a claret body also like the Thor seen here also.
http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/g...elThor0001.jpg

Adding a little color to the discussion :)

Jimmie 01-10-2014 02:23 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnerney (Post 629636)
Jimmie: I bet Laurie could make it happen, he is always dying with special colors. Here is his web site if you want to contact him to see if he has claret or would be willing to dye some for you guys.

Lawrence finney,finneysflies.com

Larry


Thanks Larry. He has them. In fact lots of claret materials. Need to talk with him about shipping, but he is relatively close to you cb.

mcnerney 01-10-2014 02:29 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie (Post 629659)
Thanks Larry. He has them. In fact lots of claret materials. Need to talk with him about shipping, but he is relatively close to you cb.

Jimmie: Good news! From some of his previous posts, I know he dyes up some pretty awesome looking feathers.

Larry

Hardyreels 01-10-2014 02:57 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie (Post 629633)
Here in the U.S. I tried for a year to find a claret pheasant tail. It never happened.

Hi Jimmie,

I'm guessing that you are talking about a Ringneck Pheasant tail........

Since they are brown to start with you can probably get a good claret red by using a blend of common dyes. I dye almost everything I want which is not readily available using rit dye. Although it seems to get no respect from tiers, it works for me.

The recipe below will give a good rendition of claret. This would be for using the new liquid dyes, I still have a bunch of powder dye so blending is a bit tougher for me but I follow the same basic 4 : 1 proportions and get a decent color. I use white vinegar to give a little more panache to the finished colors.

4 Tsp Cherry Red
1 Tsp Black
1 Cup Water

Small batch dying is actually very easy. You just handle the compounds with care as you would when using any liquid that will stain. I do it frequently. The safest place to work is the kitchen sink if it is a stainless steel type, if you have a white enamel sink.................. don't do it.

I use a clear pryex bowl and keep the whole process very contained.

s fontinalis 01-10-2014 03:20 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
here's a few claret sunburst spey flies i did for a swap a while back.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-U...0/IMG_0338.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...0/IMG_0295.JPG

gt05254 01-10-2014 04:22 PM

Re: The forgotten colour!
 
Claret is certainly not the forgotten color around my bench. Here's a little comparison of shades of claret I did for my blog some time ago (I dyed the partridge and two Whiting necks):

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...ps8bc3a31f.jpg

I love it on the spey version of my Celtic Beauty (dyed blue ear pheasant):

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...254/003-18.jpg

Golden Pheasant capes take Claret quite nicely, and make for pretty nice Golden Pheasant Spey flies:

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...254/001-27.jpg

It's an important part of the hairwing Celtic Beauty:

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...54/CELTICB.jpg

Three flies that all hooked salmon for me in September, 2012:

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh38/gt05254/009.jpg

I could go on, but hopefully my point is made: claret lives!
Gary


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