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Old 10-05-2010, 08:45 AM
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LOL..you just may be right about that. I don't have steelhead around me, but I sure which I was in salmon/steelhead country. I have always wanted to live in the NW mountains since I was in my early twenties or so. Something about Texas keeps me here though. We have lakes with a ton of bass in them. If my mother didn't need me, I would probably move anyway after my son graduates this year. But wow, I cannot imagine having streams of water to fish, instead of lakes. The main stream type place I got to fish in was Broken Bow, OK. I loved it. You never know this may put me on a path of making hybrid type flies too, lol...or I may be just like you said, wanting to mainly tie salmon flies. At least I have the opportunity now.
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LOL..you just may be right about that. I don't have steelhead around me, but I sure which I was in salmon/steelhead country. I have always wanted to live in the NW mountains since I was in my early twenties or so. Something about Texas keeps me here though. We have lakes with a ton of bass in them. If my mother didn't need me, I would probably move anyway after my son graduates this year. But wow, I cannot imagine having streams of water to fish, instead of lakes. The main stream type place I got to fish in was Broken Bow, OK. I loved it. You never know this may put me on a path of making hybrid type flies too, lol...or I may be just like you said, wanting to mainly tie salmon flies. At least I have the opportunity now.
Yeah it's kind of a problem for me. My closest Steelhead river is a 6 hr Drive. A couple weeks ago I drove 19 hrs for 20hrs of fishing. It's not normal it's a disease. I have a good trout river about 1/2 hr from my house and I tie steelhead flies. I'm kinda mental
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I would definitely drive 6 hours to get some steelhead fishing in, if I could. If you have trout 1/2 hour away, you are lucky! I do have several lakes around me though, with lots of varieties of fish, just no walleye, or trout. Lots of bass, sunfish, crappie. catfish, and chain pickerel.
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March Brown Pattern

Here's the second fly, the March Brown, taken from Chapter IX in Tom's book. Whereas the Grub pattern was all about putting a body on a hook, this one is all about mounting a featherwing. There is a body with this fly, of course, but it's secondary to the tail and the wing, both of which use the same techniques for mounting in this pattern.

I'm using a Partridge Bartleet CS10/1 hook in #6 for this tie. I was planning on using a #4, but the hen pheasant wing that I have isn't sized for that large a hook. Always choose your hook based on the size of your most limiting material; in most cases this will turn out to be the length of your wing barbs.

1. Thread the hook with the white thread; don't forget to keep your thread flat.

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2. Tie in the flat tinsel as Tom shows on p. 119, Fig. 41, then wind it back about 5-6 turns and then forward again (try to butt the foil as you wind it; both going toward the bend and back toward the eye). When you get back to the tie in point, unwrap the thread so that the foil is holding itself in place. then take 3 flattened wraps to bind down both ends and cut off the waste. What you form in this step is call the "tag".

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3. To form the tail, first select a good unbarred wood duck feather. Then cut the stem at a point that will give you barbs that are just a little longer than what you want for the tail.

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4. Cut the stem again at a point that's equal to the size that you want the wing to be (not the length of the tail, but the thickness of the tail). This will give you a piece shaped like the letter "V". What's on both sides of the stem will be what you use for forming the tail.

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5. Since feathers tend to have a habit of wanting to move around on you, you need to do all that you can to limit this movement. One of the best things that you can do is to make sure that at least one of the ends of the feather will stay in place. You do this by cutting the stem vertically with a pair of sharp scissors or an x-acto knife, so that each side has 1/2 of the stem attached to it (sounds tough, but it's really not).

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6. Now it's time to mount the tail. Take the two tail halves and align them together so that the dull surfaces are facing each other (this is because you want the shiny surfaces facing outside when you mount the tail). There are many ways to do this and it's really up to the tyer how you want to do it. I put one on top of the other, hold them in place with the index finger of my left hand and slide them one on top of the other to the edge of my table. Then I grab them between the thumb and forefinger of my right hand, so that I've got the paired tail sections held by the area closest to the stem.

Place the paired tail on the hook, size it and then transfer your grip to the thumb and forefinger of the left hand (I'm assuming that you're all right handers; if left, then simply reverse what I say to do). Place these fingers holding the paired wing so that the right-most edges are just ahead of the front of the tag.

Now, what you have in this tail is a feather stack. Think of it as accordion stretched out. Your job is now to compress this feather stack so that you end up with something that looks like a closed accordion. To do this, follow Tom's instructions on pps 122-124. Essentially you use your right thumb and forefinger to compress the tail fibers before you tie them in using 4-5 flat wraps.

Once completed, the tail will look something like the below, with the ends that are still attached to the stem facing the eye of the hook.

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7. Now tie in the flat ribbing tinsel on the bottom of the hook being sure that is is wrapped back to the point where the tail is tied in; which is at the front end of the tag.

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8. Now it's time to form the body. Dub the thread (I used direct dubbing, but you can use any dubbing technique that you want). The pattern should have a full dubbed body. I kept mine very thin so that you could see the wing easily. Tie off the dubbed body about 1 1/2 hook eye lengths from the eye.

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9. Next, wind the flat tinsel rib up the body to the end of the dubbing and tie it off.

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10. Tie off the white thread with a 3 whip finish.

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11. Switch to black thread and thread the head back to where you want to tie in the throat. Now, Tom tied his throat as a collar and didn't pull it down into a throat, so I did the same thing. But, feel free to pull the collar down into a throat or to form a throat using whatever technique you like to use. Wind the thread forward 3-4 flat wraps.

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12. Prepare a hackle from one of the long-fibered, brown spotted rump feathers from a Hungarian Partridge. Fold the hackle as we did for the palmered hackle on the Grub pattern; don't forget to form the anchor at the tip. Tie in the hackle by the tip anchor and take 3-4 wraps of hackle forward toward the eye. Tie off the hackle with 3 flat wraps and cut the remaining stem off. Wind the thread back to the point where the throat ends.
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13. Now it's time to mount the wing. The concept here is exactly the same as it was for the tail. What you want is two feather halves; paired with their shiny sides facing out. Here's how to do that.

Start with a good hen pheasant tail feather (or whatever you decide to form your wing with). I made a short post on how to generate good tailing feathers. It works for feathers of all kinds and it's worth the effort. Cut it as you did for the tail.

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14. Now make a second cut at a point that's about 1 hook gap in length from the original cut (in my tie, I used a smaller sized wing to make it easier to see the wing in the collar hackle, but if I were not using a collar, I would have increased the width of my wings to just about one hook gap).

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15. Now, do just as you did for the tail; cut the "V" wing section into two halves; keeping 1/2 of the stem attached to the base of each half.

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16. Now it's time to mount the wing. You do it just the same way that you did for the tail. One of the keys here is to be sure that you compress the wing with your fingers before you tie it in with flattened thread. This allows you to control the set of the wing and prevents the barbs from separating and splaying out when you apply pressure with the thread. Essentially, you're using a pinch wrap to attach the wing to the hook. It helps a great deal if the surface where you mount the wing is flat; not lumpy; one of the reasons for keeping your thread flat. Once the wing is tied in, take 4-5 flattened wraps toward the head to hold it in place.

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17. Next trim off the butt ends of the wing halves. In order to do this grab the wing again, firmly, with the thumb and forefinger of the left hand (if you try to cut the feather butts off without holding the wing in place, it will move on you). So, hold the wing in place while you cut off the butts. You want them to taper down nicely toward the head, so that when you form the head, it will have a nice shape to it.

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18. Form the head as you like, whip finish and hit it with 3 coats of SHHAN (or whatever other coating/head cement you like to use).

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And that's it; you've just tied up the March Brown Salmon fly pattern.

You now have the two key elements of all Salmon flies under your belt; the body and the wing. From this point on, it's all variations on the same theme. Granted they are sophisticated and detailed variations, but they are nonetheless simply variations.

I tied this pattern with top mounted up wings (wings attached on the top of the hook). When I get back from the Columbus Day holiday, I'll post 3 more March Browns; with wing variations; one with a top mounted down wing, one with a horizontal mounted up wing and the last with a horizontal mounted down wing. Pick whichever one you like or tie them all.

This is what I know on the topic of the March Brown pattern, but I would ask Ard, Allen the the rest of you to share what you know about this pattern or others like it with the other members.

Have fun with it!

Pocono
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Old 10-06-2010, 11:23 PM
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I must give props to Pocono for doing these AWSOME tutorials. After I did the feather wing spey tutorial a week or two ago I lost all desire to ever do one again. It took way longer and was way more work than I expected and I guess I'm lazy.

Here is another way to build a strip wing if anyone is interested. I'll Use turkey on this one.

The problem with a lot of feathers is that they are not equal on each side of the stem, So you need to find a matched pair a left and right side. I take from the left of the left side and the right from the right side.
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I cut the feather off the stem, line up the tips and put the inside of the feather toward each other. So if your a right handed tier the left side feather will be the close side to you. Then I lightly pinch the feather and re shape it.
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After that I mount the wing the same way Pocono did.

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I hope that made sense. If your lost let me know and I'll try and clarify
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The tutorials, and the wing tutorials were fantastic. That is how I learn, visually. (and in full color) I cannot thank you enough for spending the time to do the tutorial. I am mainly a warm water tyer, so this is all new ground for me. It would seem to me the collar would be tied in last. That is how I would of done it if not for your tutorials. The color and quality of the photos also make this a pure joy. Now, if I could get my hands on my MATERIALS....lol. I hope OFF THE HOOK is fast...
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Now, if I could get my hands on my MATERIALS....lol. I hope OFF THE HOOK is fast...
So do I, e-mail him to say you need this stuff quick and see if they mailed it yet.
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That is a good idea. I will email him. I have not had a shipping notification yet, so that is a little worrisome. Thanks for the advice.
1:20 pm I emailed them, I will let you know what they say. I made the order on the 4th, that night.
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Allen,

Thanks for posting the pic/instructions on getting wings our of right and left-handed feathers. I forgot to mention that I used hen pheasant center tail feathers; feathers where the left and right sides of the same feather are almost of equal length; at least close enough for Salmon fly wings where you're cutting off and throwing away 1/3 of the strip anyway. That makes it easy. But, what I posted on is the exception; what you posted on is the rule.

I'm getting so I like working with hen pheasant tail feathers. They're more subtle, pliable and a lot easier to work with than the feathers from the cock birds.

I'm always looking for better sources of feathers. One of the places that I came across lately is a company that sells feathers for decorative arts and crafts. They had hen pheasant tail feathers for sale, in bulk. So, I purchased a lot of 25 pairs (they're sold in pairs, which is nice) and I'll tell you, I haven't seen anything even close to the quality of these feathers!

It's called Continental Feathers; run by a nice lady named Marianne. Here's the link:

Fancy Decorative Feathers: Peacock feathers, ostrich feathers,and pheasant feathers for crafts, floral, and feather fashions

Kelly, as Motel 6 says: "we'll keep the light on for you"! Good luck with your materials!

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LOL...that was funny. They did not reply in email to me today. But they did send me a shipping statement that says it went out this afternoon. It says 2nd day for the tracking number. So maybe that means I will get it tomorrow or Saturday. If so, I will be mightily pleased. It did not look like anything was backordered, that makes me one happy lady. I sure am enjoying this whole salmon thing so far. But then again, I haven't tackled anything difficult yet, but I know it is coming. It did take me a long time to tie a salmon fly, much longer than a warm water fly, that is for sure.
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