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Old 04-07-2012, 01:10 AM
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Default Great advice and first CJ's

First, thank you all that gave some advice on tapering a body with wire. Even though I am not using the best wire yet the taper finally turned out right.

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The top right blue was my first try after reading all you suggested, didn't quite hit the mark. The bottom blue was 2nd, purple was third and the green meanie was the last one I tied in this set. On the large side but the wire I found isn't small enough to do anything much under a 10, maybe 12.

I think they turned out well and with some softer wire in the right diameters I should be able to get some really nice tapered bodies on some really small hooks.

Thanks again for all the advice, added another tool on my arsenal without using a spool of thread to get a tapered look.
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The ties look great! I looked-over the suggestions that you were given, and I'm curious which you did? Did you flatten round lead (substitute) with needle nose? Did you switch to flat lead?
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Very nice progress, those flies will work well for you, congrats!
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Default Re: Great advice and first CJ's

I did a little of everything, flattening the lead, making sure everything was on top, and just taking more time to build up the taper instead of thinking I had it and going too fast.

I need to get a range of sizes of lead wire and the copper wire to make true quality ones. Should be some tough little buggers though. Hopefully they will catch some fish this month, or should I say hopefully I can catch something on them because the flies should catch fish.

My kids should catch something on them if I can't even if it isn't on a fly rod.
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Well done on body taper.

Things you need to work on.

Consistency. Get more consistency in the bulk of the thorax. The amount of peacock herl varies so sometimes you get a thin thorax and other times a bulky one. Look at the two flies to the right. The bodies and thoraxes should look identical.

Proportion. The proportion of thorax to abdomen varies in your flies. For a real nymph, the thorax and abdomen each are about 50% of the total body length. The thorax can be a bit shorter but 50/50 is that you should shoot for.

Take a look at real nymphs:

mayfly nymph images.

For the three mayfly type nymphal patterns on the left, only the top fly comes close.

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I would suggest that you now try tying a proper Copper John. Note the proportion of abdomen to thorax and bead in the fly below.

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Add a wing case using Wapsi Thin Skin - Mottled Oak pattern. Then add the strip of pearlescent tinsel or flashabou, then cover with UV acrylic, Knotsense, or epoxy.

Even using a folded wing case of turkey tail, or pheasant tail fibers with the Flashabou and no epoxy will improve your flies.

Practice tying just one size and version of a fly until you master it. The vary the sizes. Tying variations makes it more difficult to master a pattern.

Uses the patterns below as your guide and note the proportions of the fly and materials

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Default Re: Great advice and first CJ's

Interesting how different the instructions are. Same result with slight differences.

One thing at a time, I just got a taper. Now I can work on proportions. Although the second instructions there wasn't much of a taper.

Gonna have to find some turkey wings for sure. Everything else I will have to pick up over time.
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Sorry that I wrote turkey wing for a wing case. I should have wild turkey tail feather. Text has now been corrected.

You can see how the wild turkey tail would give a mottle appearance that is great for a nymphal wing case.

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