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Old 04-24-2009, 07:50 PM
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Default Essential Dry Flies

I am a new fly fisherman and need to stock a fly box. I want to start out with the basic dry flies. I will be fishing the mountain streams of North Carolina and Virginia for trout. What are the essential patterns and sizes of dry flies that I need for my box?


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I'm a noob also, but my research indicates......

Dry Flies:
Elk Hair Caddis; brown and olive - sizes 14 and 18
Adams - sizes 14, 16 and 18
Blue Wing Olive - sizes 16, 18 and 20
Royal Wulff - sizes 12 and 16
Griffiths Gnat - sizes 20 and 22

I have about a 5 page document I have put together form various sources (including many searches on this site) I would be happy to send your way if interested. Send me a pm if you want it.

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You HAVE to have a streamer...Wooly Bugger, preferrably. A few terrestrials would help, Hopper and a few ants.
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Default Re: Essential Dry Flies

The guys have given you good flies and I can't add too much to the list but if you can find anyone who sells a Bi Visible I've caught a slew of brookies on the old pattern.

If your fishing brook trout, if it floats it'll probably work. If there are browns there you will want the patterns the fellas have put up for you.
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I'm a noob also, but my research indicates......

Dry Flies:
Elk Hair Caddis; brown and olive - sizes 14 and 18
Adams - sizes 14, 16 and 18
Blue Wing Olive - sizes 16, 18 and 20
Royal Wulff - sizes 12 and 16
Griffiths Gnat - sizes 20 and 22

I have about a 5 page document I have put together form various sources (including many searches on this site) I would be happy to send your way if interested. Send me a pm if you want it.

Dave
My tying instructor felt that the Elk Hair Caddis and the Adams were in his must have top drys. He would add Ants to his must have list. These were in answer to "IF" you could only carry five flies.....................The others were Nymphs (little over five).
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A friend turned me onto carrying a box of rusty spinners in many sizes. This is my 'bail-out' box now! When all else fails, it seems there's size spinner in that box that saves the day every time!
His basic premise is size and shape trumps color on those spinners and I'm quickly learning to agree! All the trout see's is a dark silhouette when the flie is laying flat on the surface.
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I'd go with a mix of flies for different situations (water types), and a range of colors and sizes to imitate a bunch of different things:

Adams Parachute- 14, 16, 18 a good generic imitation for medium and dark mayflies, and a good pattern for slow water.

Light Cahill Sparkle Dun 16 and 18 a good imitation for light bodied mayflies (Cahills, Sulfurs) and a great in slower water. Because of the way it's constructed, and floats in the surface film, it also does triple duty as an emerger, dun and spinner (sort of).

Elk Hair Caddis tan body, tan wing 16, and dark olive gray body, dark gray wing 14. will imitate a lot of different caddis hatches. A good searching pattern in all water types too.

Ausable Wulff (or Royal Wulff) 14 and 16. A good fast water pattern- floats like a cork and is visible. My preference here would be for the Ausable Wulff since it's a bit more imitative of some of the larger mayflies (March Brown Gray Fox etc that you may run into). But both are great patterns, and good for searching fast water and a great choice for mountain streams and wild brook trout.

Griffiths Gnat- 20 to imitate small stuff which can very be frustrating. It's a good go to fly and you can often get some takes on a 20 Griffiths Gnat when the fish are actually feeding on much smaller naturals for some reason.

Yellow (or Orange ) Stimulator size 12- this imitates the yellow stoneflies that you'll get in the mountains. It also does a good job for large caddis/hoppers. It is a good floater in fast water, you can skitter it in slow water, and it is also a good fly to use as an indicator for hanging bead head nymphs under by tying a short piece of tippet to the bend of the Stimi.

I think I cheated and listed 6.... I better stop now....

These would be a good bunch to start with and build on--- pretty much for anywhere in the East or West, but including your NC and VA mountain streams. A local fly shop could also suggest specific flies based on conditions/hatches/water/and season, but these would cover a lot of bases throughout the year. You may also want to get a hatch chart for your local streams to get specific patterns from your local shop (or google), but generally for small mountain streams and brook trout they'll whack just about anything and don't tend to be very picky.

In other situations where trout are more selective, if you see fish eating naturals coming off the stream, try and match the size first regardless of pattern, then profile (upright wings for mayflies, down wings for caddis), then shade (light or dark). Even if it's not an exact match, you should have a lot of bases covered to get you pretty close.

Good luck!

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Default Re: Essential Dry Flies

i don't know nc trout streams. so i'm going to change ur post just a tad cuz of ur title. u said "essential dry flies." and i think there are only a few that u absolutely have to have to cover dry fly fishing for trout in north america. so if i were headed for a north carolina trout stream knowing nothing more than i know right now, i would carry the following:

parachute adams - 10-18
royal coachman - 6-16
elk hair caddis in olive, gray, and black - 10-16
stimulator in orange, olive, yellow, black - 6-12
griffith's gnat - 14-20

with these 5 dry fly patterns in these sizes and colors you can approximate the vast majority of hatches in north american trout waters and use the stimulator as a grasshopper imitation as well. and...btw...if you have all of these, they will fill up a typical fly box.
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Default Re: Essential Dry Flies

Thanks a lot for the repiles guys.
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Default Re: Essential Dry Flies

I live in western virginia and the Mr Rapidan dry in a standard or parachute work great on natives and stocked trout when they are rising. In the late summer I go to a shenks cricket and several types of ant patterns. Don't forget about the blue winged olive in early spring. But if you want to catch the big boys a black sculphin fished deep is the way to go.
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