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Old 05-31-2009, 06:18 PM
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Quick and potentially dumb question. I pretty new and don't know much about all the different types of flies yet. When I first bought my rod/reel I got a pack of Black Stonefly Nymphs from Cabelas. I used them today and the flies sank pretty quickly. Are nymph flies supposed to float or sink? Was I supposed to use floatant on these things? Either way I got a bass from a bass but didn't land it.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:49 PM
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Nymphs are supposed to be fished under the water. As a general ruls, they shouldn't be greased with floatant. The fact that your stonefly nymphs sank on you is not a problem; they should sink.

Nymphs are part of the underwater life of flies; one of the parts that we try to imitate when we put an artificial fly on the end of our leader/tippet. Nymphs can actually imitate two of the underwater stages of most mayflies, caddis and stoneflies; the larvae form and the pupae form. The adult fly; the one that's in the air at ponds, lakes, rivers and streams, is imitated by dry flies; which weigh so little that they can float on the water's surface; just like the natural fly.

Where I fish, little black stoneflies are one of the first insects to appear on the water; usually sometime in early March. However, these little black stones, are tiny and the nymphs that preceed them as also fairly small. So, if you have a selection of large black stonefly nymphs from Cabelas, you'll want to be sure that there are large stoneflies hatching; otherwise you'll be showing the fish something that they aren't used to seeing, which will cut down dramatically on your ablity to hook fish.

Most of what I said above is, more or less, specific for trout. However, if you want to fish for bass, then there are a whole series of bass bugs that are designed for both smallmouths and largemouths. The key is having the right fly to suit the day and the species.

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That makes sense, I just wasn't sure. I managed to get two bites with it, those were my first two bites period. So I guessed they were working right.
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there are basically two types of flies. Everyone disagrees with me on that, but too bad. There are dry flies (or topwater) and there are wet flies.
Nymphs and streamers are both wet flies. The stonefly yo got represents a bug that is in a nymphal stage and has not yet emerged into an adult and flown away.... Kinda...

USUALLY, dry flies and nymphs represent bugs and are USUALLY used for trout fishing. But most fish will eat bugs... Most bass will eat a nymph that looks nothing like any bugs in his local waters too, so you should be able to do alright with them. Good luck!
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Twospots,
I have to ask you this; Where would an Emerger fall into the 2 classes of flies?
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I have to ask you this; Where would an Emerger fall into the 2 classes of flies?
See: told you everyone disagrees with me!

If you fish it under the surface it's wet. If the fly is supposed to get wet and drop below the surface od the water it's wet.

So the next question would be : What about divers? We could go on from there... Let's just say I mean BASICALLY! An easy answer for beginners that won't confuse them is wet and dry. Giving a beginner a list like:
Dry
Nymphs
Emergers
Streamers
Bass bugs
Poppers
Divers
Spyders
Saltwater
Tube flies
Etc...
is a bit overwhelming. To me they are just wet and dry flies. And even flies tied as dry flies can be fished wet... So my definition is not exact... just trying to make things simple.
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Twospots,
When showing a beginner, it should be "basic and simple", so in that context I would agree with you.
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Agree with fyshstykr.

Another way to conceptually separate flies for someone new to fly fishing is: flying and non-flying. Adults, duns and spinners make the first category and everything else winds up in the second category.
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I agree with fish and Pocono, and to you also two spots. For the beginner keeping it simple is the best... I started all my boys fishing soft hackles, easy to fish and easy for them to tye when they decided to try that. Soft hackles to me are the best of both worlds.

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I agree with fish and Pocono, and to you also two spots. For the beginner keeping it simple is the best... I started all my boys fishing soft hackles, easy to fish and easy for them to tye when they decided to try that. Soft hackles to me are the best of both worlds.

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Dan, you ought to connect with Greenwood. He's the soft hackle meister around here. He got me going on them about 2 years ago and I use them a lot now; particularly when there isn't any top water action to speak of.
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