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Fly Guyusa 03-11-2005 06:48 PM

"Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
When the line sounds like a bull whip, is this because line hasn't straightened sufficiently before recriprocal cast begins? Is too much power applied? Your help please....

Curtis 03-11-2005 07:02 PM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
I have noticed this when I apply an inordinate amount of speed to the forward cast compared with the back cast. This throws the timing off and the line does not get straightened out before forward cast begins. This makes the line that is still in the back cast straighten out and begin it's forward cast too quickly thus making it very similar to a whip. You will find this is a great way to get rid of a few flies too.

ffjones 03-12-2005 09:02 PM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
i was doing this, this afternoon, i was frustrated and overpowering the cast, it does get rid of flies rather quickly. hell, i didn't know where they were disappearing to, i guess i will have to remember patience next time i go out.

dougm 03-13-2005 10:59 AM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Curtis is right on ... Whenever you apply to much force to quickly during either the back or forward cast, you can easily play the old game of crack the whip or pop the towel... Usually, it's the transition from the back to forward cast that gives fly fishers the greatest problem.

Make it easy on yourself and watch the backcast ... and at the transition, think "smooooooth" saving the so-called power stroke for the last. As you begin the forward cast, allow your rod hand to lead the rod until the time for speed-up and stop.

Doug

Curtis 03-13-2005 08:49 PM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Also, remember that the rod is designed to cast. It uses it's own energy to cast the line. Your job is only to facilitate it being unleashed and move it into position. Feel the rod load and tell you when it is ready.

PhilipRispin 06-02-2005 07:10 AM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
When a Bull Whip makes that cracking noise it's because the "popper" on the end of the whip is actually moving at the speed of sound. What you hear is actually a small sonic boom. You can cause the same thing to happen to the leader, tippet and of course the fly. I have broken hooks, tippets and frayed leaders being impatient about getting the forward cast going. I have found that a number of faults can be corrected by simply allowing enough time for the back cast to finish before beginning the forward stroke.

Phil R.

BigCliff 06-02-2005 08:18 AM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Mr. Rispin is absolutely right about the sonic boom. We can't expect that 5x that we play gingerly with our wispy 4wts to survive such violence either.

Its also possible that wind is playing a part in the creation of this cracking noise. If the wind is behind you and you are trying to throw a long but underpowered and mis-timed backcast into the wind, its very possible that it won't straighten out before you begin the forward cast. This situation is especially likely in coastal conditions or with Rocky Mountain winds and light rods. I find that it helps to keep the false casts shorter, and to haul hard and shoot high on the delivery of the cast to achieve the distance needed. This will be easier on your arm and shoulder too.

Fly Guyusa 06-21-2005 07:59 AM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Doug, some help here! The forward cast must be started slightly before the backcast straightens, right?

PhilipRispin 06-22-2005 07:25 AM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Hi Folks,

My comment has to do with the timing of the forward cast. Mr. Damico is right in that if we wait for the back cast to straighten out completely the line, due to the influence of gravity, is probably in the water, trees, junk behind us. The problem is that most of us don't wait long enough before beginning the forward stroke. It is very unusual to find someone who waits too long in the back cast the mistake is usually not waiting long enough.

Phil R.

dougm 06-22-2005 12:42 PM

Re: "Crack" noise on either forward or backcast
 
Hi Pat,

Sorry I couldn't get back sooner... The answer is yes. The transition begins slightly before the line straightens and it begins slowly by moving the rod hand back toward the body from the extend position at the end of the backcast.

In practice, when the brain tells the arm "o.k. do it to it," by the time the arm begins to respond, the line will have fully straightened ... It's sort of like the lead you and I would give a fast moving dove when wing-shooting.

I need to emphasize that the rod hand plays no part in the transition until the arm has been withdrawn back into the side of the body -- the point where the rod hand begins the turnover into the forward cast. At the beginning of the transition, the rod hand should remain in the same position that ended the backcast.

The most frequent errors that I see is (1) the failure to pull the arm back toward the body and, instead, using the rod hand far to early in the forward casting stroke; and (2) powering into the forward cast with far too much speed.


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