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Flyinsalt 05-04-2007 07:25 PM

Analyzing Yourself
 
What would your definition of an advanced caster be? In comparison to an intermediate caster. If a person can double haul and cast 60-70 feet of line is he an advanced caster? Or would you be considered advanced only if you can throw the entire line and hit your mark at that distance?

tbrillinger223 05-05-2007 01:55 PM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
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Originally Posted by Flyinsalt (Post 11046)
What would your definition of an advanced caster be? In comparison to an intermediate caster. If a person can double haul and cast 60-70 feet of line is he an advanced caster? Or would you be considered advanced only if you can throw the entire line and hit your mark at that distance?



This is an excellent question that is probably going to raise a great debate. In my opinion, I would say an advanced caster would be able to overcome any casting obsticle that might come along. Distance,and accuracy are probably the most saught after skill in this sport. I would consider myself to be an intermediate caster. My distance is mediocre (50'-70'), and accuracy needs improvement. The only way to become an advanced caster is through practice, and patience.

BigCliff 05-07-2007 02:52 PM

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I think tbrill... is on the right track. Distance is great, but accuracy will catch you more fish. Accuracy is good, but being accurate at 70' opens up even more possibilities. Casting distance and accuracy aren't the only things needed, since we don't normally fish from elevated positions with no overhanging obstacles, or when lucky enough to do so, without wind. And then there's the need to get a good drift in moving water, which involves many added skills.

Becoming an "advanced caster" depends on the environment need as well. An advanced caster who does seemingly magical things in dense smoky mountain streams may look like a clumsy goof with a 10 wt in hand on the bow of a Bahamian skiff trying to snag a Permit, and vice versa.

I think a good definition of an "advanced caster" is one who falls in the top 5% of fly-fisher-folk in the ability to present a fly that catches fish, taking all fly fishing situations into account. (i'm not there, yet)

Whether skill with two-handed rods is taken into account is a whole 'nother ball game.

tbrillinger223 05-08-2007 07:40 AM

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Big Cliff....................Becoming an "advanced caster" depends on the environment need as well. An advanced caster who does seemingly magical things in dense smoky mountain streams may look like a clumsy goof with a 10 wt in hand on the bow of a Bahamian skiff trying to snag a Permit, and vice versa
Cliff.. Im the clumsy goof in the mountain stream with chest waders on in anckle deep water hung up in the trees, put me on the pointy end and Im all good.(or on the platform)

Flyinsalt 05-09-2007 08:42 AM

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Very good points, Cliff. The thing that got me thinking about this was when I was looking at classes offered at the Federation of Fly Fishers conclave in Montana this year. Don't know if you're familiar with it? They have a bunch of fly casting classes offered and each one has a requirement such as 'advanced casters only'. Just wondered what makes you an 'advanced caster'?

tbrillinger223 05-09-2007 11:24 AM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
how can somebody offer a "class" for flyfishing and set a requirement that you need to be an advanced caster. how do you expect to become an "advanced caster" if you cant attend the class to learn how to better yourself in the sport? :confused:

BigCliff 05-09-2007 01:34 PM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
Fine point tbrill. If we wanted to outline some simple requirements to be called an "advanced caster", we might require that one be able to perform 2 of the following:

-Backhand curve cast

-Backcast delivery 70' and into the wind

-65' roll cast.

All with a 9' 6wt.

(any one thinking, "i never even thought of trying that"?,

glad i could help)

tbrillinger223 05-09-2007 06:19 PM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCliff (Post 11143)
Fine point tbrill. If we wanted to outline some simple requirements to be called an "advanced caster", we might require that one be able to perform 2 of the following:

-Backhand curve cast

-Backcast delivery 70' and into the wind

-65' roll cast.

All with a 9' 6wt.

(any one thinking, "i never even thought of trying that"?,

glad i could help)

I see your point, but how does one know how to do the above mentioned if they dont have anybody to show them. .................by the way how does one acomplish a 70' backcast delivery into the wind???:icon_ques I trully would like to now cause that will help tremendously

Flyinsalt 05-10-2007 08:18 AM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
Using that criteria, I'm no where near being an advanced caster.:icon_neut

BigCliff 05-10-2007 03:12 PM

Re: Analyzing Yourself
 
TB you are exactly right, some expert observation is absolutley needed to really progress as a caster.

The biggest key to achieveing a 70' backcast delivery into the wind is achieving an equally tight loop on both your forward and backward casts, which often is not done. Also, to do so at 70' will probably require you to use a double haul. Once you've got those two things down, work on accuracy of a backcast delivery.

Check back in a few months when you've mastered these ridiculously challenging tasks i've given you. (and be ready to help cuz i can't pull that off either)


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