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pegboy1 02-04-2012 04:37 PM

World record distance WF 5wt?
 
I was speaking to a young rep at one of the fly rod booths at the Somerset show last week. As he took me to the casting pond to try a rod he mentioned that he was a competition fly caster. He then mentioned that he can cast a regular weight forward 5wt floating line 180'. allthough I kept a straight face I wanted to bust out laughing right at him. I kept my composier and simply said "WOW" but at the same time thinking there is NO way possible he can cast a reguler floating line that far. My question is, what is the actual record distance for a regular WF 5wt line?

fyshstykr 02-04-2012 05:08 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
Whoa! Musta been with a big wind at his back and no backing attached eh?! :D

sandfly 02-04-2012 05:25 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
Should have asked him to cast the whole line on the pond. thats only around 90', my bet is he wouldn't be able to do that...
Jim C. Chapralis' list
If you can cast this far:

18-21 meters or 60-70 feet or less: Good going. It's a start.

22-27 meters 70-90 feet: Consider yourself a fairly good caster (you are throwing a heavy shooting head which, for some people, is harder to cast than a lighter outfit with a standard fly line).

27-33 meters or 90-110 feet: You've learned the double haul well and with more practice can develop into a very good distance caster.

33-38 meters or 110-125 feet: Superb. With a few tips you could move up into the next bracket. While this distance is not particularly impressive in tournaments, it indicates that you understand the basics and with some practice you will quickly ascend to the next level.

38-43 meters or 125-140 feet: See what I mean, about getting a high when you uncork a long cast! Great isn't it? You bet! You're an excellent distance caster.

43-49 meters or 140-160 feet: Wonderful! Feel proud! You have climbed a peak that very few anglers have reached. You're in the elite class. If you aren't a tournament caster, you're one heckuva good caster and definitely ACA National Casting Championship material!

Over 49 meters or 161 feet: Surely you've done lots of tournament casting! I doubt that there are more than a dozen anglers in North America who can cast this distance under normal weather conditions.

Adapted from Angling matters



There are several things to note about this list.

Casts shorter than 90 feet or 30 meters do not impress Chaprelis. Most of us are in that end of the scale. And ordinary WF-line is 85-90 feet or some 27 meters long. Only the minority of fly anglers can cast out a whole line.
Casts longer than 160 feet or 50 meters are for the super elite in casting, and nothing that anybody will obtain under normal fishing conditions.
Casts longer than 190 feet or 60 meters are very rare. Even with specially tuned casting gear.

Guest1 02-04-2012 06:41 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
I think those distances may be a tad high. I don't think I have ever heard of a 160' from anyone. 140's are a freakishly long cast. Who's doing 160' and with what?

On a related side note, My Canadian fishing buddy is up to casting the whole 130' Bario fly line out and he's still using the Cabela's Three Forks rod doing it. That by the way is in the mid 120' zone with squiggles accounted for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pegboy1 (Post 390952)
He then mentioned that he can cast a regular weight forward 5wt floating line 180'. allthough I kept a straight face I wanted to bust out laughing right at him.

You're nicer than I am. I would have laughed and then tried to bet him cash on it.

Pocono 02-04-2012 07:12 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
I think that Steve Rajeff won the last Best of the West casting competition (back when it was a distance-only event for 5 wt. rods), with a cast of arouind 122'. So, if the original question was posed for a 5 wt. rod, then I think that's about as good as it gets.

With a specially built rod; I think usually a modified 7 wt., his record is around 238'.

The American two-handed casting record is over 300'

Jackster will have better information on this.

Pocono

trout trekker 02-04-2012 07:39 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
Just some numbers matched with equipment to mull over.

ACA Official National Records-
Anglers Fly Distance & Fly Distance Singlehand
( This is with shooting heads and a running line - not a full weight forward fly line. The tolerances for a WF-5-F line are 134 - 146 Grains. Keep that in mind as you read the shooting head weights listed below. They’re not using anything close to a five weight rod or line. )


Records: American Casting Association

Rules: http://www.americancastingassoc.org/...view=FitH,1078

Angler's Fly Distance:
Current Record: Men , 190 feet Rene Gillibert, Steve Rajeff

i) Rod - The complete rod shall not exceed nine feet, one inch (9'1") in length and shall be
singlehanded.
ii) Reel - Unrestricted, except reel must be attached to the rod and must be capable of holding the
entire line.
iii) Line
a) Shooting head shall be no longer than thirty-one (31) feet nor shorter then twenty-eight (28)
feet and shall weigh not more then three hundred ten (310) grains.
b) Running line - Unrestricted except that the diameter shall not be less than 0.015 inches.
iv) Leader - Shall consist of a single leader of natural or artificial gut or gut substitute not more than
twelve (12) feet nor shorter than nine (9) feet in length.
v) Fly
a) Description - Official distance fly adopted by the Association. The hackle shall not be smaller
than five-eighths (5/8) inch in diameter.
b) Application - Only one fly may be attached to the leader at the tip end. The fly may be
changed at any time, or a lost fly replaced, with a fly approved by the Judge.

Fly Distance, Singlehanded -
Current Record: Men: 243 feet - Steve Rajeff

i) Rod - The complete rod shall not exceed nine feet and nine inches (9'9") in length.
ii) Reel - Unrestricted, except reel must be attached to the rod and must be capable of holding the
entire line.
iii) Line
a) For Men, Senior Men, and Intermediate boys, the shooting head shall not be less than fortynine
feet three inches (49'3") in length and shall not weigh more than six hundred fifty (650)grains.
b) For Women, Senior Women, and Intermediate girls, the shooting head shall not be less than
forty-four feet four inches (44'4") in length and shall not weigh more than five hundred twenty
four (524) grains.
c) Running line - Unrestricted.
iv) Leader - Shall consist of a single leader of natural or artificial gut or gut substitute and not longer
than twelve (12) feet nor shorter than six (6) feet in length.
v) Fly
a) Description - Official distance fly adopted by the Association. The hackle shall not be smaller
than five-eighths (5/8) inch in diameter.
b) Application - Only one fly may be attached to the leader at the tip end. The fly may be
changed at any time, or a lost fly replaced, with a fly approved by the Judge.



There is also a newer game: 5 wt. Combination Accuracy and Distance
Special Event (ACA 5wt Event Rules )

I have no idea what distances they are obtaining. However, I’ve been to enough I.S.E. 5 weight distance casting events ( Best of the West Competition ) with men like Steve Rajeff competing and in an outdoor environment, ( San Mateo, CA ) I don’t think I’ve ever seen them exceed the high 120‘s to low 130‘s during the actual event.
That was with a stock five weight ( like the Sage TCR and an off the shelf five weight line. ) indoors with warm air, low humidity, zero wind, etc, they’d probably poke it out there a bit further.


Not saying it can’t be done, but I’d have to see this horse before I’d buy it.
TT

Guest1 02-04-2012 08:19 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
What seems to be being missed here is that those really long distances are with rediculously heavy shooting heads and thin mono running lines. With a "regular 5 wt." it's about as likely as Bigfoot being on America's Got Talent. Look at Rajeff's distances with a real fly line. He looses at least 100' of those long distances. One more thing. I don't consider it fly casting when you do those overweighted heads and tiny little mono running lines. If you start saying "I can cast 180' witha single hand rod." and fail to mention it's on one of those silly shooting head systems it's kind of dishonest. But that's not what the guy said to Pegboy. He said "He then mentioned that he can cast a regular weight forward 5wt floating line 180'."

mojo 02-04-2012 08:26 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
The BOTW finals are held here in SLC and I've seen Rejeff and Rick ??? (brain f@rt on Rick's last name) in practice throws, hit over 130', and competition in the mid 120's.
The rods were either Loomis or Sage 5 wt. and SA distance line. But remember this is all indoors.
If the young rep could really throw 180', then you would have known his name.
Me, I'll call bull$hit.

And for what it's worth, not only is Steve Rajeff a hell of a distance caster, but an extemely accurate caster too.

P.s. just remembered Rick Hartman's the other guys name. Out of Texas

trout trekker 02-04-2012 08:38 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
Dan,
If that was intended towards my post, then you didn't read this part of my post,

( This is with shooting heads and a running line - not a full weight forward fly
line. The tolerances for a WF-5-F line are 134 - 146 Grains. Keep that in mind as you read the shooting head weights listed below. They’re not using anything close to a five weight rod or line. )

Re: "What seems to be being missed here is that those really long distances are with rediculously heavy shooting heads and thin mono running lines."
Re:"I don't consider it fly casting when you do those overweighted heads and tiny little mono running lines."

More importantly Dan, what weight head would you use on a nine weight rod? That 310 grain head is on the light side of an 11 weight head. Going up two lines sizes with heads is pretty common. We routinely use 30' feet of LC-13 for heads out here on our nine weights, that head weighs over 390 grains. ( because LC-13 usually weighs 13.2 -13.4 grains per foot ). I've been using 20 and 30 pound Amnesia for running line which are pretty darned thin, for better than forty years.
No I'm not insulted one bit Dan, thanks for validating my fishing choices and those of thousands of others.

TT

But as I said, I'd have to see the horse before I'd buy it.

pegboy1 02-04-2012 09:07 PM

Re: World record distance WF 5wt?
 
It was absolutely clear when I asked him that he was talking about an "off the shelf" ordinary floating line. Rather than be confrontational I shrugged it off with a "WOW" and than lughed inside a bit. I do realize with shooting heads and running lines the distances can easily be that long.


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