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Old 04-29-2012, 07:59 PM
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so hit the water today for the first time in 2 yrs, and wow does my casting stink. I figured after a bit i would get back to normal, but no, not the case. My leader/tippet/fly falls in a pile on the water. I even snapped off a couple flies, aside from the ones i decorated the tree with.
Im using a cheap shakespeare 8ft 5/6 wt, with SA Concept wf-6-f line (wich work much better than the level line it came with), and a 7.5ft leader. My loops are almost non existent, and have a hard time hitting 25 feet.
I know i need to lawn cast some more, but any ideas on what im doing wrong? Any help is much appreciated, and thanks in advance.

Oh and by the way, the water was way low, and crystal clear. Seen lots of trout, but they weren't interested in anything i threw at them.I was at Trout Run in SE Minnesota.
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Since you said you snapped off some flies without snagging into the tree behind you, I assume that you were also hearing a "whip-crack" sound in your backcast? If this is the case, slow your cast down. Watch your backcast unfurl before accelerating to a stop in your forward cast. You may be overpowering your forward cast as well, or not having a solid stop (both would cause the pile in front of you as well as depriving you of good loops). If possible, try and get a video of your casting stroke, as we have some pretty solid casters on here that could diagnose what you're doing.
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Since you said you snapped off some flies without snagging into the tree behind you, I assume that you were also hearing a "whip-crack" sound in your backcast? If this is the case, slow your cast down. Watch your backcast unfurl before accelerating to a stop in your forward cast. You may be overpowering your forward cast as well, or not having a solid stop (both would cause the pile in front of you as well as depriving you of good loops). If possible, try and get a video of your casting stroke, as we have some pretty solid casters on here that could diagnose what you're doing.

I agree with all of this and especially the part in red because I am finally starting to cure my forward cast of this same problem. It is very easy to start getting frustrated and start putting power into the forward cast too early.
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The problem of line landing in a pile is the result having an arch to you casting stroke.

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You want the rod tip to travel an the same flat plane.

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As for snapping flies off you just need to pause at the end of the stroke before reversing direction to let the line straighten out so you don't crack the whip and loose flies.

Overpowering on the forecast is not your problem. That error would result in tailing loops not with your line landing in a pile.
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The rod you describe is a soft rod with a lot of flex. From your description, I think you are waving the rod as in Davo's first illustration. This is the classic beginner's "windshield wiper cast".

Although I agree with Davo's first illustration, the second is bit misleading. A level stroke as illustrated will not give you a level rod tip path. The reason is that a fly rod is a flexible lever and as it shortens, the ERL (effective rod length) shortens. The fly rod tip actually comes closer to your casting hand. So the actual path of the rod tip would curve down toward the hand. This will form a tailing loop.

The illustration I like better is the one below. It represents the shortening of the fly rod and the compensatory curved path of the casting hand. It also shows how the rod shortening increases as we make longer casting strokes an the stroke path lengthens for longer casts.

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In your case, I think you are basically waving the rod back and forth without the hard stop that is needed at the end of each forward and backward cast and the delay that is needed for proper timing.

Rather than try to explain in words what is needed, here are a few videos from a local fly shop in my home state.





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Whatever you do, stay away from 10 to 2
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more like a 11 to 1 you mean?
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i watched those tightlines vids alot last year when i started...
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