Originally Posted by Randy said
The bottom line is: you have to experiment on you're own, but the more false casts you make the less line you'll probably be able to carry.
I agree 100%, Randy.
Originally Posted by Diver Dan said
One more thing, more carry does not mean more distance. I have video of my friend Bill doing a 90' carry with a 3 wt. I wish he would let me post. He Carries 100' with no problem with a 5 wt. line. It's cool to do, but the trick to getting more distance is not in the amount you carry but the line speed when you shoot. Higher speed means more distance.
I also agree with what you mean, Dan. As an example, I fish almost exclusively salt water now (except for LM Bass which is about the same for me).
When test casting rods I may want to buy, I take the line I want the rod for and cast it. I have never "carried" a lot of line; instead, I shoot a whole bunch into the last (often the only) backcast. What I am looking for is a rod that will handle as much line as I have in the air on that backcast as I have strength for on the following forward cast. In other words, I like a rod that will take a good bend without mushing out before my rod hand strength does on the ensuing forward cast. "Reserve power" is probably a reasonable name tag.
To your point that I emphasized above, I have a strong enough backcast such that I can overload my rod hand strength in accelerating the rod on the next forward cast. In addition to that, the longer the backcast, the more sag will develop in the line which can interfere with loop efficiency.
I also think it can cause the caster to compensate by beginning the forward haul earlier than normal in order to compensate for the sag, and wind up with the rod unloading too soon - causing tails or near tails.
Hand speed of the hauling hand accelerates until it stops, and that generally should not occur until the rod is unloaded.
If there is not enough line in the air as the forward cast is begun and a good haul is used, a "tuck" cast will be the inevitable result.
The only time I ever marked and tape measured overhang was (as mentioned numerous times here) when checking the total weight aeriolized on a Levithan 550gr WF and a 12 wt Rio tarpon taper on the same rod. It turned out that the overhang was within inches of being half the total head length of each of those lines.
The total weight of both those lines from end of line to the overhang was within a few percent. On lighter rods, it may well be more - depending on the head length. Certainlly not half the head length on a competition line (unfortunately
Anyhow, that's my philosophy on rod selection (salwater) and overhang until further notice.
Originally Posted by Jackster
For mere mortals it appears distance is gained with a combination of both long carry and shooting.
Same thing I said - but you are "self-editing".