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Old 01-13-2014, 01:36 PM
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When you are looking back and see the line straighten, FEEL how the rod bend at that moment and remember it so you don't have to look back all the time. Keep your back cast in a straight line, don't over power it, firm stop, and don't curve it. Stand 20ft in front of pillar or a column, you'll your line hitting the pillar if your back cast is curving.
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When you are looking back and see the line straighten, FEEL how the rod bend at that moment and remember it so you don't have to look back all the time. Keep your back cast in a straight line, don't over power it, firm stop, and don't curve it. Stand 20ft in front of pillar or a column, you'll your line hitting the pillar if your back cast is curving.
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This is good -- just wanted to add that you need not ever reach a point where you do NOT watch your backcast. The best casters in the world frequently watch their backcast, just youtube any Rajeff distance cast, or virtually any 100 foot+ cast out there. Wind and stream conditions make it good to see where your loop is unrolling.

I don't watch mine 100% of the time, but I'd bet I take a glance at least 50% of the time, maybe more.

My cast improved quite a bit when I taught myself to turn and watch it .
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This is good -- just wanted to add that you need not ever reach a point where you do NOT watch your backcast. The best casters in the world frequently watch their backcast, just youtube any Rajeff distance cast, or virtually any 100 foot+ cast out there. Wind and stream conditions make it good to see where your loop is unrolling.

I don't watch mine 100% of the time, but I'd bet I take a glance at least 50% of the time, maybe more.

My cast improved quite a bit when I taught myself to turn and watch it .
You have to be careful not to rotate the rod out of it's SLP as seen from above the caster.

I remember when Jim Greenlee got me into the Fly Tackle Manufacturer's Show in Denver back in the 1980s as a rep for his company. I was trying the new Sage fly rods at the casting pond. I was watching my backcast and I noticed that every cast had a subtle curve to the left in the fly line.

I thought all the Sage rods were a bit off somehow.

That couldn't be it. I realized that as I turned my head to watch my backcast, I was also rotating my body and my right shoulder around and back, to make it easier turn my head. Then when I went to make my forward cast, I rotated my head and right shoulder back forward.

The rod tip was going forward but in an arc concave to the left, so at the stop, the fly line followed the rod tip path, and continued to lay down with a curve to the left.

This makes for a little experiment. Face absolutely forward and make a straight forward cast. Now make the same cast but turn your head to watch your backcast. I think you will find that there is a subtle curve to your cast.
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You have to be careful not to rotate the rod out of it's SLP as seen from above the caster.

I remember when Jim Greenlee got me into the Fly Tackle Manufacturer's Show in Denver back in the 1980s as a rep for his company. I was trying the new Sage fly rods at the casting pond. I was watching my backcast and I noticed that every cast had a subtle curve to the left in the fly line.

I thought all the Sage rods were a bit off somehow.

That couldn't be it. I realized that as I turned my head to watch my backcast, I was also rotating my body and my right shoulder around and back, to make it easier turn my head. Then when I went to make my forward cast, I rotated my head and right shoulder back forward.

The rod tip was going forward but in an arc concave to the left, so at the stop, the fly line followed the rod tip path, and continued to lay down with a curve to the left.

This makes for a little experiment. Face absolutely forward and make a straight forward cast. Now make the same cast but turn your head to watch your backcast. I think you will find that there is a subtle curve to your cast.
I do find this a lot! Wait -- the rod is moving further 'behind' my body, or further to the right side? (I'm right-handed).

Good tip Silver. Spot on.

I read your post again -- I think I got it. I'll need to watch this now!
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This is good -- just wanted to add that you need not ever reach a point where you do NOT watch your backcast. The best casters in the world frequently watch their backcast, just youtube any Rajeff distance cast, or virtually any 100 foot+ cast out there. Wind and stream conditions make it good to see where your loop is unrolling.

I don't watch mine 100% of the time, but I'd bet I take a glance at least 50% of the time, maybe more.

My cast improved quite a bit when I taught myself to turn and watch it .
Yep that is a good tip to check on your back cast for longer distance.

I must confess that I don't have that good habit of checking my back cast.
I am more into finding the right timing and the hang time.
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What about , Silver. on this 'looking back' deal if you cast more toward a side arm stroke ? Would that be a more accurate tracking ?

After a couple cast it seems my 'mind' just 'knows' what's back there...I dunno how that works.
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Just wanted to update a little....and brag on myself lol.

Been watching my back casts and got my loop a little tighter. My timing on starting my fwd cast is a lot better too. I still get an occasional "pile up" but I gained a ton of distance. Id say out of 10 casts I get it "right" 6 times. My accuracy isnt close but thatll come later.

It sure feels good when it comes together and ya can feel it.

Thanks again for the tips.

Almost forgot too. I spooled up with new 5wt on my 3-4 rod. I think it made a big difference.
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Just wanted to update a little....and brag on myself lol.

Been watching my back casts and got my loop a little tighter. My timing on starting my fwd cast is a lot better too. I still get an occasional "pile up" but I gained a ton of distance. Id say out of 10 casts I get it "right" 6 times. My accuracy isnt close but thatll come later.

It sure feels good when it comes together and ya can feel it.

Thanks again for the tips.

Almost forgot too. I spooled up with new 5wt on my 3-4 rod. I think it made a big difference.
If you're getting a flop of line (2hander stuff here) at the end of the cast one of two things may be going on (or both?). 1) you are trying to force the cast and with these light lined rods they just won't go there. Finger tips on the cork only!

2) You're getting a hinging effect between the end of the line and leader. As JD would say (to paraphrase) 'Big to small, then to big just isn't going to happen.' And he's dead on, as will be the end of your cast.

I don't know what a 'tonne of distance' means but if you're consistently hitting 70 feet you're wired into what these light rods will do.

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My tonne of distance is, if everything is perfect, about 40ft, lol. Im ok with that for now.
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