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Old 12-30-2008, 05:45 PM
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here's a video of me in my front yard, trying to show you my form. i do just fine from 10 to 15, if i'm lucky 20 yards. go ahead and be as cruel with your comment, i want to perfect my form the best i can.

any tips on improving my cast distance too?

also anyone have anything about casting in wind? my part of texas, it doesn't get too cold, its just very windy!

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Sorry that I won't be much help, because I mainly fish smaller rivers, but I can look around in the books I have to see if I have something that will help you.

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There's no reason why you can't extend your arm behind you on your back cast,
The further the rod tip travels, the more speed you'll be able utilize, the further you will be able to cast
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I agree with Rip Tide - more arm, less wrist. Don't try to false cast too much line - use enough to load the rod, shoot the rest. I see you can single-haul... learn to double-haul - it'll help with distance and with wind. Good luck.
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Hi MikeyBob365,

I watched you video several times. I see several things you need to improve. You would really benefit from a casting DVD.

1. You need to work on your line control. You have all that loose line flopping around on the ground and you will never be able to shoot line. You need to gather the loose line in coils and hold them in you left hand. The line should be coiled in order and held in place by your thumb. When you need more line you feed it from the coils.

2. You are using way too much wrist action. Your line is traveling in an arc over your head. You need to stiffen your wrist. A good DVD will show you this.

3. You are probably casting too vertical. Try angling your rod more to the side.

4. You are not accelerating and stopping as you should. There were a couple of times you did but mostly it seems like a constant pressure cast.

5. If you are getting out 20 yards that is 60 feet. You must be doing something right part of the time.

6. It seems that you are casting too fast for the line to unwind and load the rod. You need to practice making a good pickup of the line, a good back cast and then deliver the line on the grass in front of you. Watch you back cast.

When you make the next video try to include the fly line in the picture. I would bet you are not getting tight loops in your cast. These are some things for you to think about. You really need a DVD or some lessons. It will make a big difference in your results.

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Default Re: trying to improve distance and form

I don't have much to add from what the others have suggested, other than to change your stance so that your left foot is forward and you can rotate your upper body with your cast.
To use another analogy here, when you make a layup when playing Basketball(if you right handed)your left foot will be forward when you make your shot.

Forget that analogy, I'm backwards......But I would change your stance so your turned a bit to your casting side.
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Default Re: trying to improve distance and form

Your overall mechanics are good, especially letting line shoot through.

I concur with Frank. While wrist action is needed, yours is a little too floppy.

Again, echoing Frank and others, you have way too much slack line out.

A concept that really works for me is is to concentrate on accelerating through both the backstroke and forward stroke.

Now here's the zen of the whole thing: let your wrist snap forward at the end of the downstroke while letting the line run through your hands and subsequently the guides.

...This is impossible to describe in words.

...Just youtube it.
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ok..i looked again.

one more thing to think about.

let the rod load at the end of your backcast (the instant right before you start moving forward). In the video, you take all the energy out of the cast by letting your wrist flex backward with the rod.

Keep a firm wrist and let the rod bend a bit before the forward stroke.

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Default Re: trying to improve distance and form

As far as Wind goes.....A few options to try would be to overload your rod by one line weight, a good W/F line like the RIO 'WindCutter', and a fast action rod that will really punch your line into the Wind when needed.

The Wind can be the 'Devil', but at certain times it can be very helpful. When ever you can, try use it to your advantage, Often times the chop on the water created by Wind will allow for much closer opportunities @ presentation and helps conceal any line slap that often occurs when fishing with Wind. The Wind also creates major insect drift & feeding by "stirring the pot" so to speak, so figure out where it is pushing and concentrating the food sources.

If...you have to fish into the Wind, or have a side Wind, you will most likely need to shorten your cast and use your Stalking Technique to get you within a workable casting range.

If...you have the Wind at your back you can make some very long distance cast by letting the Wind carry your offerings with it.

Depending on how heavy a Wind, you may need to shorten your leader to compensate. This is something that you will learn over time as to how long, and how heavy a leader.

I hope this helps.
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Default Re: trying to improve distance and form

The two major problems that strike me from watching the video is the rod tip path and an improper pause.
The pause on your back cast is far shorter than that on your forward cast. If you took the suggestion of placing your right foot more to the rear it will make it much easier for you to watch your back cast, and there is no sin in watching it either!
Try to develop a straight line path by keeping the rod tip tracing a straight line. Use a roof top or telephone line in the background as a guide.
I think in the video I saw the line swoop past you in a big arc. The energy used in creating that arc is better spent going in the direction you wish the cast to go in.
Your rod tip path is more like a windshield wiper than a straight line.
Once you get good, basic fundamentals down, learn to double haul. The DH will take you much farther if you use it with a good, basic working knowledge of the foundations like proper power application and tip path.
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