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Old 01-21-2014, 02:38 AM
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I'm new to the form and only been fly fishing for 12 months but already clocked up hundreds of hours on the reservoirs. Last year I got some waders and went into our local shallow river Almond' Livingston West lothian Scotland which as it turns out is loaded with 1/2 lb browns. I had offer-after-offer all day but never landed or even hooked one! I was using s18 river drys with the whole fly Ginked. Someone said the trout were flicking the fly to drown it and since I had fully Ginked the fly it did not sink hence the trout ignored it.

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Welcome to the forum! From your description I'm not sure what is going on. On small trout they can hit your fly and spit it out extremely fast, but that usually isn't the case with larger fish, they tend to be a little more deliberate, but maybe that is the issue. If it is you should be able to connect by keeping as much slack out of the line as possible, also keep your rod tip low to the water, that will also help keep as much slack out of the line as possible and try to be really quick with the hook set. Remember, the fish are pointed up stream so you want to hook set in the down stream direction if possible, so think about that before the fish strikes. If that doesn't work, then I would change your rig up to a dry/dropper rig, maybe use a soft hackle on your dropper to see if the trout will go for the dropper versus the dry. Maybe some of the other members have some additional help. Best of luck!

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According to NZ tradition........(or the Brits)
You are supposed to say, "God save the Queen." before you set.....on a big Brown.
A big mouth and a small fly means you pull it away.....Let them eat it!
I don't say it here (Truckee), but I do pause before I put the hammer down.
In addition, I set with the current...downstream, low, and towards shore.
(Like Larry said)
The vertical set often takes the fly away. (Especially when nymphing.)
Downstream puts it right in the corner of their mouth.......
It took me a few years to learn this set (or un-learn the vertical "dryfly" set.).
But my personal stats have improved because of the change, clients too.

A dropper would help if they are really eating subsurface....
I don't just keep fishing if what I'm doing isn't working, I'd keep changing it up.
Good luck with those Browns!

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Welcome to the forum! From your description I'm not sure what is going on. On small trout they can hit your fly and spit it out extremely fast, but that usually isn't the case with larger fish, they tend to be a little more deliberate, but maybe that is the issue. If it is you should be able to connect by keeping as much slack out of the line as possible, also keep your rod tip low to the water, that will also help keep as much slack out of the line as possible and try to be really quick with the hook set. Remember, the fish are pointed up stream so you want to hook set in the down stream direction if possible, so think about that before the fish strikes. If that doesn't work, then I would change your rig up to a dry/dropper rig, maybe use a soft hackle on your dropper to see if the trout will go for the dropper versus the dry. Maybe some of the other members have some additional help. Best of luck!

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I've only landed one brown but I have landed quite a few rainbows. I cast upstream alot so I'm setting in the downstream direction anyway but you do have to be quick because they can take it and spit it out in the blink of an eye. and setting upstream you can pull it out of their mouth.
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According to NZ tradition........(or the Brits)
You are supposed to say, "God save the Queen." before you set.....on a big Brown.
A big mouth and a small fly means you pull it away.....Let them eat it!
I don't say it here (Truckee), but I do pause before I put the hammer down.
In addition, I set with the current...downstream, low, and towards shore.
(Like Larry said)
The vertical set often takes the fly away. (Especially when nymphing.)
Downstream puts it right in the corner of their mouth.......
It took me a few years to learn this set (or un-learn the vertical "dryfly" set.).
But my personal stats have improved because of the change, clients too.

A dropper would help if they are really eating subsurface....
I don't just keep fishing if what I'm doing isn't working, I'd keep changing it up.
Good luck with those Browns!

Jim

^^^^ This!

I still have problems yanking the fly out of their mouths! It's tough to delay the hookset when they're slapping dries!

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tie a size 16 bead head prince on 16" back from your fly and slowly retrieve it.
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You could also be getting refusals. The fish goes for the fly and rejects it at the last second. His change of direction will cause a boil or splash that can look like a rise. Be sure your fly is a good replica of the naturals. I would think if they were taking the fly and you were missing them, you would get lucky once or twice, or at least get a brief hookup. You may also want to try a fly that sits lower in the water, like parachute pattern.
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try not using gink and let the fly sink, wait for the second take and set the hook. works for me.
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