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I've never replaced a fly line before. I'm considering something in the SA Mastery series. Should I go textured or not? Part of this decision is based on also considering upgrading my rod to the TFO BVK 5 wt with a metal stripping guide.

I fished the Sharkskin line and didn't like all the noise when stripping the line in while streamer fishing. Does the noise transfer from the line to the water? Wouldn't that spook the fish - especially in smaller water??

Is the new textured line better or quieter? I hear it shoots, floats and mends better (but don't know if it is true or not). Is the noise a problem with the textured line? I don't want to reduce my chances of catching fish. Am I over analyzing this or is it something real to consider?

Textured or not - what are your recommendations for an all purpose 5 wt WF F fly line? (This would make a good topic for the FAQ section)

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I have an Orvis Hydros 3D 5wt WF-F....it sounds like dry leaves in the guides. But it shoots excellent. Maybe it's a trade off. But I'd be interested in a more silent recommendation myself. I have a Wuff triangle taper 3 wt that is silent as a Ninja assassin. Wonder if the Wuff triangle taper in 5wt would do good ?

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I would recommend the Trout Boss line texture good casting good mending roll cast well single hand Spey cast good makes a little noise but noting like sharkskin . I have two of these line one in 4,5. So far pleased. But new I have only fished 1 couple of times .if it becomes to loud I just take my hearing aids out .
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I would recommend the Trout Boss line texture good casting good mending roll cast well single hand Spey cast good makes a little noise but noting like sharkskin . I have two of these line one in 4,5. So far pleased. But new I have only fished 1 couple of times .if it becomes to loud I just take my hearing aids out .
I like the idea of a textured line. Everything I've learned about trout is to be stealthy. Does the noise from a textured line transmit into the water? And... Would that noise spook the fish?
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Just my 2 cents. I have had terrible luck with the textured lines. The floating capability seems to be way below industry standards. The casting is great but from a presentation stand point the floating capability is much more important and for that reason I run Rio products instead.
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The sound textured lines make don't seem to bother fish. If any sound above the water bothered fish Hardy would have been out of business long ago!
I like to think that the sound a Hardy makes when a fish runs is actually a fish call that attracts more fish. Maybe this is true of textured lines too. The sound the lines make doesn't bother me at all. What it does is make use of the sense of sound to help you know what the line is doing. It can be just an additional sensory treat to add to the others that makes fly fishing so great.

If you ever get the chance to cast a real silk line do so. They make noise too but that sound struck more like music to the ears than noise. The sound didn't seem to affect Gramp's fishing judging by the old black and white pictures I see of stringers full of fat trout!
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Textured or not?- Not.

Mending is a function of the lines stiffness, taper and buoyancy - not solely it’s finish - textured or not.
All those voids created by high and low spots, allow matter ( salt - detritus) to collect. In time, you’ll find yourself needing to clean the line more thoroughly to keep it performing well. Many of us went through this with first round of textured lines in the late 80’s and the original problem still exits. They’ve simply identified a new generation of anglers to market an old idea to.
The noise never really bothered me.

"Textured or not - what are your recommendations for an all purpose 5 wt WF F fly line?"

For Trout & Panfish: Scientific Anglers Mastery Series Trout Taper Its capable of a lot more than it's name implies.

Cortland's nearly forty year old 444SL is very good ( if not a bit stiff ) longer bellied WF that mends very well and with very good tracking characteristics. It's better for faster tapered rods and it's continued popularity in some areas seems to be driven largerly by the higher day time temps typical to those areas.

If the distances are short and you're using larger wind resistant flies, something along the lines of Scientific Anglers GPX or Rio's Grand will work nicely.

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The sound textured lines make don't seem to bother fish. If any sound above the water bothered fish Hardy would have been out of business long ago!
I like to think that the sound a Hardy makes when a fish runs is actually a fish call that attracts more fish. Maybe this is true of textured lines too. The sound the lines make doesn't bother me at all. What it does is make use of the sense of sound to help you know what the line is doing. It can be just an additional sensory treat to add to the others that makes fly fishing so great.

If you ever get the chance to cast a real silk line do so. They make noise too but that sound struck more like music to the ears than noise. The sound didn't seem to affect Gramp's fishing judging by the old black and white pictures I see of stringers full of fat trout!
I'm not sure sound above the water is so much my question as something making sound that comes in contact with the water like a fly line does. Would a fly line transmit that noise directly to the water? The Sharkskin line I fished with turned me off immediately. It just seemed that loud. I expect the textured line would not make as much noise. Your point is taken though.

I haven't fished with a Hardy reel. I assume based on your comment that the clicker on Hardy reels is rather loud. Being somewhat more detached, I don't think I would be worried about it either.

I appreciate your response.

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Textured or not?- Not.

Mending is a function of the lines stiffness, taper and buoyancy - not solely it’s finish - textured or not.
All those voids created by high and low spots, allow matter ( salt - detritus) to collect. In time, you’ll find yourself needing to clean the line more thoroughly to keep it performing well. Many of us went through this with first round of textured lines in the late 80’s and the original problem still exits. They’ve simply identified a new generation of anglers to market an old idea to.
The noise never really bothered me.

"Textured or not - what are your recommendations for an all purpose 5 wt WF F fly line?"

For Trout & Panfish: Scientific Anglers Mastery Series Trout Taper Its capable of a lot more than it's name implies.

Cortland's nearly forty year old 444SL is very good ( if not a bit stiff ) longer bellied WF that mends very well and with very good tracking characteristics. It's better for faster tapered rods and it's continued popularity in some areas seems to be driven largerly by the higher day time temps typical to those areas.

If the distances are short and you're using larger wind resistant flies, something along the lines of Scientific Anglers GPX or Rio's Grand will work nicely.

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My completely uneducated guess falls along the same lines as your response. I tend toward the SA Mastery non-textured lines. Given that I really don't have any facts to base a decision on, I decided to let the experts here weigh in on the subject. If the textured lines really are better, I didn't want to overlook something that could make the sport more fun and/or allow me to catch more fish. Keeping your line clean is something I had not previously considered.

This is my first go with a fly fishing forum. I've only recently gotten serious about the sport. My 9 year old son, who I would like to get more involved, and I have even started tying flies together! I really appreciate everyone's willingness to share what they know!!
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I'm not sure sound above the water is so much my question as something making sound that comes in contact with the water like a fly line does. Would a fly line transmit that noise directly to the water? The Sharkskin line I fished with turned me off immediately. It just seemed that loud. I expect the textured line would not make as much noise.
Any line slapping the water can transmit enough sound and energy to the water to get then trouts attention and spook them. This is why, for the most part, the cast should end with the line above the water so it gently lands without signaling the trout you are there. Hoppers, poppers and such sometimes work better being slapped on the water to get the fish's attention but even then it's best to not slap the line if you can help it.
The Textured SA line is quieter than the Sharkskin and is easier on the fingers and epoxy around the guides.
I started fly fishing when silk lines were the norm (and a whole lot cheaper) because that's what was on the rods the grown-ups brought on vacation. From there I've witnessed and used a lot of lines since the progression from silk to what we have today. Being one of the grown-ups today I enjoy witnessing and being the beneficiary of the progress the line manufacturers have made in making slick and durable, low maintenance lines. The Sharkskin and Textured lines I use have no more or less problems of the tips floating than slick lines of the same general configuration. Truth-be-told, the highest floating tips I've ever had on fly lines are any of the Cortland lines with their Dyna-Tip. The same people who bring us the ancient 333 lines that so many people adore thankfully didn't stop at that and are still improving and innovating. I hope I never get so old or stuck in my ways that I can't take advantage of the true improvements that make this sport more enjoyable and efficient.
If you are having trouble feel your rod load it might not be you but the rod you are using. As mentioned earlier, the SA GPX and Rio Grand can help not only in tossing meatier flies but being a 1/2 line weight heavy also can in getting a feel for rod loading. The GPX comes in slick, Textured and Sharkskin!
Having my druthers I pick Textured, it's the best of both worlds for my uses.
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Sounds are vibrations transmitted through the gases, liquids or solids. They are pressure waves that have a frequency and wavelength.

For sounds to be heard, they need to be able to pass from the air to the water. Normal sounds and even shouting are not passed from air to water. The frequency shift is too great. Sound travels 4.3 times as fast in water as in air and so the sound cannot penetrate and is reflected.

"A water–air interface is usually an almost perfect reflector of acoustic waves."

Sound and the water–air interface

Fish do have internal ears for higher frequency vibrations and lateral lines for lower frequency.

What fish do sense through their lateral lines are the vibrations we make when we wade AND the underwater "sounds' we make with wading staffs. The sense the vibrations from us walking on the river bank. These vibrations are transmitted from ground and not the air.

Shout and yell all you want. Fish are deaf to that. If someone tells you the fish can hear that, they are mistaken.
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