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Old 12-29-2013, 10:25 AM
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Default A novice with a #3 DT line

Hello all,

I have a question

Living in the Netherlands and started with flyfishing about 9 months ago. Here in NL we have mainly ponds, and being flat, no streaming water or creeks.
Went on a trip to NC and fished the Davidson on trout with my 6 weight and LOVED it, so stoked to fish on trout! Anyway..

On my 6 I have a Rio mainstream line, wf6 which is very nice and easy to cast for me with my rudimental techniques.

Since a little while I also have a 3 weight rod to fish here locally in NL on smaller roach/minnow kind of fish. When I got it it allready had a DT line on it.
I have real troubles casting this rod and line, my leader goes everywhere except straight forward and tangles up a lot.

Considering i fish small distance (no long casts).... Would a WF be a part of the solution of my casting problem? I know i still have to get used to a floppy 3 rod too.


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Adding to this, i especially have problems when theres a bit of wind.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

main problem with using a lighter weight rod in the wind, also sounds like your leader may be too long. How long is the rod and how long is the leader.
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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

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Hello all,

I have a question

Since a little while I also have a 3 weight rod to fish here locally in NL on smaller roach/minnow kind of fish. When I got it it allready had a DT line on it.

I have real troubles casting this rod and line, my leader goes everywhere except straight forward and tangles up a lot.

Considering i fish small distance (no long casts).... Would a WF be a part of the solution of my casting problem? I know i still have to get used to a floppy 3 rod too.

Thanks
Ruud

---------- Post added at 09:25 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 AM ----------

Adding to this, i especially have problems when theres a bit of wind.
Hi Rudd,


A WF 3 wt line will not help since the taper will be virtually the same as the DT 3 wt line.

Your leader can collapse for several reasons. First of all, the line may be too light for the rod and the line cannot load the rod at the distances you want to cast. At short distances, this is often the reason.

However,you said the rod is "floppy." So the second reason may be that the line might be too heavy for the fly rod. Try casting shorter or longer to see whether there is a "sweet spot" distance for that line and rod combination. That distance should tell you whether the rod is under, over or lined just right for that rod.

If your fishing normal distance is shorter than the sweet spot for that line, use a heavier line that will load the rod at the distance you normally fish at. If your normal fishing distance is longer than the sweet spot, then go down a line size.

Also consider the leader design. First try casting the line WITHOUT the leader. Are you able to cast the line itself? If so start with a short 7 foot leader, then go longer to see what your maximum leader length can be. Usually, you want a leader that is at least the same length as the fly rod.
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

Thankyou for your helpfull replies.

The rod is an 8ft 3 weight. When I bought the reel, the guy i bought it from was not sure if there was a 3 or 4 weight line on, but he was sure it was a double taper.
The leader im not sure but i think is as well around 8ft.

Just to be sure I think Ill put on a new line, just to be sure it is not overweight I think.


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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

Hi Rudd,

The action of the rod may be part of this. what brand rod - I will guess it to be fairly fast action. Short casts with light lines using a fast action rod are possible but you will need to develop technique.

Thinking about what you see when trying to cast this rod - line - leader combination will be helpful. You may need to make your own leaders. By experimenting with different butt diameters and sections in the leader you can possibly make a leader which will work for you.

This is not an easy quick fix but I have always found situations where I was forced to think and then make my own leader. I still must do this even with 2 hand rods.

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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

Hi Ard,

The rod is a local Dutch label, fabricated in Czech republic and is advertised as having a wonderful 'mid-flex action'

I will try with different leaders and lengths of leaders and see what happens.
How would i recognize if the line is too heavy for the rod?


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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

I will add that it can be harder to feel the lighter rods loading when you've cast a 6wt alot. The DT is great for roll casting. I use a DT3 on a 6'-6" bamboo and it's great for close in work. I've not had to cast it more than 40 ft or so. Once you find the sweet spot, it should sing.
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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

Ruud: As the others have suggested, you might have a leader or line miss-match problem . I'm wondering if you have any friends that fly fish that could also try casting that rod or maybe take it into a local fly shop if available. As Axle suggested, a 3 wt rod is going to be harder to feel it loading so if your having a casting issue that might be causing the leader issues. If you don't have anyone close that also fly fishes or a fly shop close by, try casting and watching the back cast to make sure your line is fully extending before you begin the forward cast. A common casting problem that beginners have is rushing the forward cast before the back cast has completed. I'm thinking a 3 wt mid-flex action would be one sweet casting rod, but realize it is not designed to throw flies out long distances, it is more for short line fishing on small creeks, that is where it is going to really shine.

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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

Thank you Larry and the rest of you.

I am thinking my line might be too heavy for the rod. Next week I am meeting a buddy and going to put his reel with 3 weight line on it and see what she does.


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Old 01-05-2014, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: A novice with a #3 DT line

So today I fished the rod with a reel with a 3wt wf line; much better! Im almost positive my issue was due to an overweight line, so thanks for that!


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