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I've been fly fishing for 2 years now, and have bought various tippet spools and my question was, what's the difference between the mono tippet material that comes in the 30 yard spools made by Umpqua, Orvis, etc, and the mono material that comes packaged for 'conventional' fisherman in the 300 (or more) yard spools?

Also, I have spools of some high end fluorocarbon made by Sunline. Since I have been nymphing more than throwing dries, and I see the benefits of using FC in 'bottom contact' applications, is it safe to say that this FC can be of use for tippet material?
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I can't answer the your first question, maybe someone else can.
I also use FC when nymphing as I like the extra abrasion resistant capabilities.

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Hey,

I hope this was placed in the right section....

I've been fly fishing for 2 years now, and have bought various tippet spools and my question was, what's the difference between the mono tippet material that comes in the 30 yard spools made by Umpqua, Orvis, etc, and the mono material that comes packaged for 'conventional' fisherman in the 300 (or more) yard spools?

Also, I have spools of some high end fluorocarbon made by Sunline. Since I have been nymphing more than throwing dries, and I see the benefits of using FC in 'bottom contact' applications, is it safe to say that this FC can be of use for tippet material?
Might want to review this article:

http://www.stroft.de/tippetshootout.pdf

Personally, I tend to stick with Nylon and FC made for Trout ...for Mono (nylon) that would be Puglisi Powerful or Trout Hunter or Stroft for FC, Seaguar, Stroft or Trout Hunter...


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Fluorocarbon is a good tippet material for nymphing and streamer fishing. I use mono for dry flies. Frog Hair makes some really good tippet materials for dry fly fishing. Dedicated tippet materials are more supple than lines made to be used for main line.

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Tippet is the weak link in the entire connection from fly rod to fly line to leader to fly to fish. It is one of the worst places to to try to save money in my opinion.

The tippet must perform several key functions. Strength per diameter is the most obvious and if you compare diameter to strength ratios, fly fishing tippet is generally stronger than regular fishing line for a given line diameter. A tippet is designed to give you the strongest connection at the minimal diameter and visibility.

Another important factor is limpness. The more limp the tippet, the less it restricts the natural drift of the fly it is attached to. Tippets are designed to be limp. Not so with fishing line.

Regular monofilament fishing line is designed to be abrasion resistant, since they most often are pulling lures and baits through the water, and are constantly being casted though and reeled back over line guides under tension. Older spin and bait fishers can remember when this repeated process would wear groves in the rod guides before ceramic guides were invented. A monofilament with a hard abrasion resistant surface will be stiffer, and makes the line less suitable for drag free drifts.

I buy and use tippet material rather than bulk spools of fishing line.

Here's the original Fly Fisherman Magazine article on tippets

2012 Tippet Shootout - Fly Fisherman
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I also like fluorocarbon, especially for the improved abrasion resistance and less water absorption than mono when nymph fishing.

I've seen the shoot-out, but I still have trouble paying 4X more for fluorocarbon tippet vs. fluorocarbon spin fishing line. So I bought a spool of high end, fluorocarbon spin fishing line and am giving it a try this season. I got a 200 yard spool of 4 pound test Seguar Invisix for less than $20 (about what I'd pay for a 30 yard spool of premium brand tippet). Its about a 4.5X and on visual inspection, it seems equivalent to tippet. The jury is still out in terms of on stream performance.
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I'd like to see if the 4x (0.07") and 5x (0.06") Seaguar tippet material is really stronger for diameter than the Seaguar 4 lb test (0.065") line you bought.

The tippet material is advertised as 4.8 lb test and 7 lb test respectively compared to 4 lb test.

The problem with trying to compare the material during nymphing is that is that one never knows when a fish refuses a fly because the thicker line affects the drift or is just a bit more visible.

My suspicion is that in turbulent water where the nymphs are getting bounced around, the slight differences in visibility, diameter, and limpness do not matter, but the strength of the material does if the labeling is accurate.

I don't like the high cost of fluorocarbon tippet, but since it can be used year after year without degradation, I stick to the tippet material. With all the money I spend on fly fishing and going to Montana; I don't want to question why my tippet material broke on a fish or why I lost a fly on a snag.

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I have been using Frog Hair fluorocarbon and really like it,,very supple and strong for the diam.....from what I can tell just by 'feel.' I know that's not very scientific but supple, thin and strong it does feel.

Now I might be way off base but I use the same for dry flies. I feel a floating mono line is like a indicator arrow pointing out that my fly is ,,not quite right...but maybe fish can't see the fluro so well. What do ya'll think ???
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I have been using Frog Hair fluorocarbon and really like it,,very supple and strong for the diam.....from what I can tell just by 'feel.' I know that's not very scientific but supple, thin and strong it does feel.

Now I might be way off base but I use the same for dry flies. I feel a floating mono line is like a indicator arrow pointing out that my fly is ,,not quite right...but maybe fish can't see the fluro so well. What do ya'll think ???
I think that subject has been beat to death HERE:

fluorocarbon vs monofilament fly fishing North American Fly Fishing site:www.theflyfishingforum.com - Google Search


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I've tried tippet material & bulk lines in the years when I first started fly fishing, but it's been a long time since I've used any tippet material. There was not much difference between them at that time IMO, except tippet was supposed to be more consistent in diameter. They were all nylon based back then, and I'm sure there have been great refinements since.

Every line made, whether for fly or other tackle has specific characteristics. There are many that are similar & many that are far different. Every angler has their own opinions, likes & dislikes, and preferences for what they use based on the fishing they do. Just like rods, reels, etc. what suits one angler well, may not be the best choice for another. There are many reasons to use tippet or bulk line, and depending on the situations, choosing either type is not wrong. You can choose the wrong line based on the characteristics of the line not matching well with the fishing type, such as a material that is too stiff, but whether you're choosing tippet or bulk is not a wrong choice IMO.

I only use bulk lines now. I'm primarily a warmwater & salt angler, so the refinements of tippet have not really been of much benefit to me. When I do get the opportunity to fish for trout, I still stick to the bulk lines, knowing that it may not be ideal. I rarely fish with dry flies, and when I'm fishing surface flies, they're usually terrestrials, so the need for delicate presentation & drag free drifts are not as critical. Terrestrials are clumsy generally & not often delicate.

For nymphs & streamers, I again see no benefit to switching to tippet, since bulk lines have worked well while fishing these fly types for other species. I'm sure others have good reason to do so, but it still boils down to the choices we all make for ourselves.

Currently, I use Yozuri Hybrid to make leaders & for tippet material, and also use it on some of my spinning & baitcasting rods, so for me & the fishing I use it for, it's a very good & economical choice.

With everything we choose to use in our fishing there are compromises. The only person who can decide what's best is you & you have to try different things to make that type of decision. What's been posted here can certainly be used to guide you, but ultimately you've got to see for yourself what fits you & your fishing.
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