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Old 01-25-2011, 04:17 PM
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I think I saw the same video, pretty nice method. Joni, my question to you - is that a true furled leader or is that what you would consider a twisted leader? I have read that there is a difference in method...just curious. And I am still going to order a couple from you to see them. I like this hand twist too, though.

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I have a 6wt and soon a 4wt. What would be the best mono test for these two line weights?
Good question, Dave, I hope someone comes along with an answer.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:08 PM
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I think I saw the same video, pretty nice method. Joni, my question to you - is that a true furled leader or is that what you would consider a twisted leader? I have read that there is a difference in method...just curious. And I am still going to order a couple from you to see them. I like this hand twist too, though.



Good question, Dave, I hope someone comes along with an answer.
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is the video you're talking about, I don't think I would call it a furled leader. To me, it is a twisted leader. If you notice, there's no real taper or formulated taper to it. He just pulls off X amount of line, doubles up on it and starts to twist. Then he continues by folding it not quite in half and continues twisting.
Is it a tapered or stepped down leader? I'd say it's a stepdown. Furled or twisted leader. I'm going to say twisted. And it's got quite a bit more memory than what I would call a furled leader made of thin mono (.003") or 6/0 unithread which is MY favorite.
Throughout the years, George Harvey had figured out specialized knotted leaders and formulas to make them lay out correctly.
Furled leaders also have a formula to get a correct taper that lays down beautifully.
Capt'n Sodie is just taking and building a 4 twist leader stepping down to a 2 twist leader with a single tippet tied on.
Not much of a taper to gently lay down a 24 PMD with. But it probably works great in the salt.
A furled leader like Joni or Pzzy could build you, has a formula of 5 gradual tapers.
Example: A 14-12-10-8-6 in a 5' or 6' mono or unithread leader. All that means is the butt section is 14 strands, going down to 12, then 10, then 8 and finally 6 strands at the end of the leader. All this in 5' or 6' leader.
Joni puts a black 2 mm or 3 mm tippet ring on the end that you tie your tippet to. No chance of clipping the leader when changing or if you use a handshake loop, it's easier to remove with a ring. And yes, the rings float. 3mm is a very tiny ring. Dress it up with some floatant, Johnson's Paste Wax, Butches Alley Wax or what ever you want and it'll float for a long time.
Furled leaders don't spray water when you pick your line up like braided leaders do or I'm going to say like a twisted leader would. Furled are wound much tighter that twisted leaders are.
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Default Re: Furled Leaders ... ?

Thanks for the reply, Mojo. After I thought about it and did some more looking around I realized this method (and, yes this is the video I had watched) is not furling at all.

I am still searching for a good tutorial on how to make a furled leader with thread. Not that I am opposed to purchasing from Joni, they look beautiful, I just really like to make stuff!

Thanks again.
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Thanks for the reply, Mojo. After I thought about it and did some more looking around I realized this method (and, yes this is the video I had watched) is not furling at all.

I am still searching for a good tutorial on how to make a furled leader with thread. Not that I am opposed to purchasing from Joni, they look beautiful, I just really like to make stuff!

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i recently purchased a bunch of furled leaders from joni, and in my humble opinion, they're as good, if not better than other bigger name leaders i have bought in the past. they have yet to touch any water, but they look and feel like a quality product.


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i recently purchased a bunch of furled leaders from joni, and in my humble opinion, they're as good, if not better than other bigger name leaders i have bought in the past. they have yet to touch any water, but they look and feel like a quality product.


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Right. Kathy Scott. I guess I wasn't specific: I've been searching for something good online. See, I am cheap and impatient!

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Default Re: Furled Leaders ... ?

Yep, That's the video I refered to on page two in this thread. Now that I see it is a twisted leader, I looked for instructions about a furled leader outside of youtube. I didn't find a video, but I did find a .PDF with instructions. It uses Uni-thread 6/0.

http://www.furledleaders.co.uk/pdf/h...led-leader.pdf.

Is more of what you're saying is a true furled leader?
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Yep, That's the video I refered to on page two in this thread. Now that I see it is a twisted leader, I looked for instructions about a furled leader outside of youtube. I didn't find a video, but I did find a .PDF with instructions. It uses Uni-thread 6/0.

http://www.furledleaders.co.uk/pdf/h...led-leader.pdf.

Is more of what you're saying is a true furled leader?
Jim Willams runs a furling website in the UK. He's done a lot for modern furling and has a lot of good tutorials and pictorials. That is a furled leader. You twist (say CCW) two different legs, equal amounts of twists (usually 10% reduction in length). When it's done twisting, you put the two legs together, add the weight at the bottom, and hang it up. It then naturally furl's CW all by itself. When it's done you have a furled leader. That's the abreviated version.
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Default Re: Furled Leaders ... ?

I started using furled leaders several years ago, and since then almost all I have used is furled leaders - last time I used a standard knotless mono/fluoro leader was when I was fishing with 12lb and 15lb leaders. I have tried several brands of furled leaders from several vendors (including Joni), and I have found they all worked better than non-furled leaders for almost all casting. The thread leaders work especially well when switching back and forth between small midges and small dries, without changing the leader.

Early last spring I purchased a couple of furled leaders in 4wt (6ft) and 5wt (7ft) made from spiderwire. The spiderwire has a more or less neutral buoyancy, yet does not float on top of the water; it basically floats just under the surface. Thus I have not had to apply any floatant. The spider wire comes in a greenish color that blends well with most water, and it is strong, strong, strong! I have been using the same two leaders (one 4wt and one 5wt) for all of last year - more than 60 full days of fishing plus uncounted partial days. In fact, I actually broke a fly line and lost the 4wt spiderwire leader on one trip, and then found it floating in a backwater later in the day after the fish got free of the line. I just re-attached the spiderwire furled leader to my flyline and continued fishing with it.

In fact, when I start fishing this spring, it will be with the same two leaders. I plan on using them until they either break or eventually stop working right.
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