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jamieof 05-05-2011 06:36 PM

Reel Drag Type Question
 
I just read on a site that disc drags should only be used for heavier tippets as the "break" torque required to start the slip would be above what a fine tippet can stand. Therefore, with a fine tippet, the "click" style should be used.

Makes sense to me, but do you agree?

Jamie.

mojo 05-05-2011 06:47 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Use whatever you want. Disc, click pawl, Ru Paul.
I have both and use both for the same type of fishing. It's whatever mood I'm in. That's what decides what reel I'm going to use.
Disclaimer-This is strictly for trout.

MoscaPescador 05-06-2011 12:41 AM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Jamie,
Today's disk drag systems have come a long way since its inception. In newer technology reels, start up inertia is so reduced, that tippet protection is increased. Older cork drag reels can have higher start up inertia. I don't like to say anything negative about gear (especially my favorite reel brand), but I dislike the cork drag disk system on lighter weight Abels. The cork is so sticky, that it has high start up inertia. That is why I use Abel TR and Creek click and pawl reels for my three, four, and five weight rods. For six and up, I'm fine with the Abel cork drags.

Just another thought. If one is fishing fine tippets, a moderate to full flexing rod can absorb more shock for better tippet protection.

Dennis

Hardyreels 05-06-2011 11:26 AM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
I guess both replies have given an answer and there isn't much more to say but that never seems to stop me. I always used clickers for trout because they were what I owned. By the time I discovered disc drag reels I was fishing for big game and they made sense. Even after buying several of the early disc designs they still seemed woefully unable to handle Great Lakes Kings and lots of palming was needed.

MP is on the mark with his assessment of todays disc reels. They can be set as light as you need or as heavy as you need and have come a long way. This fact makes mojo's reply a good one too, use whatever you want or whatever you have because seldom does a trout grab a dry fly on a 7X tippet that is connected directly to the reel spool. We always seem to have at least a yard or so of line to play out before the fish is pulling against what ever reel is on the rod. It is possible that the site where you read the discussion about this is one where the splitting of hairs is often a hot topic. Common sense would be the guide here regardless of the reel you are using. If you are using a gossamer tippet then the most logical thing to do with any reel would be to have the drag set just to the point where it will stop over run of the spool. Beyond that; drag may be a manual thing. Having the disc will be a good thing if you are fishing for trout and end up with a monster on the hook.

Ard

russellb 05-07-2011 10:16 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Honestly, I believe that this may get over worked at times. Certainly start up inertia exists but with so many other factors such as current, amount of line out, depth of the fish, etc. It's really hard to label one modern reel a better choice over another. I use several Abel disc drag reels for trout and if i back off the drag I can get it soft enough to overrun if really ripped on. A couple clicks higher and the drag is soft enough for a 6 or 7X tippet but it will not over run. On my Abel TR it didn't seem to matter what the internal adjustment was set at, the tension felt the same, the reel just got slightly noisier. FWIW there seemed to be less inertia on the big game Abel versus the click Abel. But I doubt that this amount of difference would be a deal breaker- or tippet breaker....

FrankB2 05-08-2011 07:55 AM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
I have tried an Abel on the stream that was very sticky, but the owner didn't maintain his equipment very well. The least expensive reel I own has cork discs in the drag system (Okuma SLV), but they are impregnated. I've owned them for several years, and they are easily the smoothest reels I've ever tried. They've made their way back onto my rods as my go to reels, and I don't have to worry about scratching a much more expensive reel. :( Actually, the SLV resist scratching pretty well!

caseywise 05-08-2011 01:05 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankB2 (Post 253011)
I have tried an Abel on the stream that was very sticky, but the owner didn't maintain his equipment very well. The least expensive reel I own has cork discs in the drag system (Okuma SLV), but they are impregnated. I've owned them for several years, and they are easily the smoothest reels I've ever tried. They've made their way back onto my rods as my go to reels, and I don't have to worry about scratching a much more expensive reel. :( Actually, the SLV resist scratching pretty well!


ive been thinking about an slv for awhile. ive heard only great things about them.

jamieof 05-08-2011 01:26 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Great info folks, thank you kindly. I have 3 reels and at this point, no intention of buying another in the near future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseywise (Post 253113)
ive been thinking about an slv for awhile. ive heard only great things about them.

The SLV was my first reel Casey. I had nothing to compare it to when I bought it but enjoy using it immensely, and right now is the favourite of the 3.

Jamie.

Frank Whiton 05-08-2011 03:16 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamieof (Post 251782)
I just read on a site that disc drags should only be used for heavier tippets as the "break" torque required to start the slip would be above what a fine tippet can stand. Therefore, with a fine tippet, the "click" style should be used.

Makes sense to me, but do you agree?

Jamie.

Hi Jamie,

Lets think about this a little bit. A 7X tippet is rated for a 2lb breaking strength. I don't think there is any modern Trout fly reel that takes any where near two pounds of pressure to slip the drag. Add in the flex of the rod, the stretch of the fly line, the stretch in the leader and it just doesn't seem reasonable to me. Use what ever reel you like.

Just for kicks I looked in the pantry and it so happens that a can of El Paso Refried beans weighs 1lb. I picked up two to see how heavy two pounds is. It is a lot. I have never seen a trout reel that would require any where near that much weight to start the drag slipping on a light setting.

Now if you set the drag too heavy that would be a different situation.

Frank

okuma 05-08-2011 04:23 PM

Re: Reel Drag Type Question
 
Fly reel drags should be set to where the spool will slip before the tippet breaks. Watch pro bassers on TV. You will see them pull drag off the reel making sure it won't line break. As far as 2 lb. fish, I've caught many 22 inch browns on a 3 weight and a bar stock orvis. Now, i use a battenkill II and just bought an Okuma magnitude off a gentleman here.both on 5 weight rods) Long story short, Frank is right. Oh btw, a 2 lb. trout or any fish will eat a click and pawl reel alive. Unless you're really good at palming


IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU HOLD YOUR LOWER LIP:p


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