I could just bother the same 2-3 forum members, but I'm going to toss this one out to the whole forum. I just bought new Galvan Rush 4, and the out-going drag is "indexed". It's smooth, but there are clear tactile index clicks. I bought a Galvan OB-4 a few weeks ago, and that reel's drag is much smoother: no indexing out-going, and silent retrieve. Neither reel is machined as well as an Abel, so if you don't want to spend the $$$, don't try the best. The OB-4 was nice enough, but I'm a bit underwhelmed with the Rush.
P.S. I just re-read this post, and it might seem a bit harsh. I'm comparing the machining of a $200 reel with that of a $275 Abel...WAIT! That's not a big difference! Galvan's service is excellent, so please take that into account. The Rush is a decent reel, and better than the Sage 4540 I owned for an hour last month, but I was expecting a bit more. The Ross Evolution is a much smoother reel, but it's more expensive.
I just checked out my new T6 and its the same way. I would have never noticed since I never use such light drag settings. What it feels like to me is a ball and spring with detents thats is used as a clicker. You can't have as fine of increments as you would with a pawl type clicker. I have a Evo 3.5 that feels the same but with more increments. I also have to turn the drag all the down to notice it also.
Alright! Now I can move on with life. I spoke with Carmen Galvan yesterday, but I had other business to discuss with her. This topic came up at the end of the conversation, and she said there should be a click. I didn't know if she was referring to the pawl, and I didn't specify the left/right ring.
Well, I finally was able to fish not only the Galvan Rush 4, but my freshly overhauled Galvan OB-4 today. The Rush is much more quiet on the water than it is while sitting at my desk, and performed flawlessy (albeit as a line holder today). I was able to catch two stocked rainbows (Whoppee... ), but didn't need to get either fish on the reels: 3X tippet with a #10 Wooly Bugger.
Notes: The OB has a completely silent retrieve, and the Rush is louder coming in than going out. That's not saying the Rush is noisy at all, and is a little more quiet than a Ross Evolution. The OB has a nearly silent drag. Both reels are smooth to the point where I wouldn't need any more smoothness. While they share the same outside diameter (3.25"), the OB has great capacity. The OB's spool is about 1/8" wider than the Rush, and it's arbor isn't as large as the Rush's. While both reels are listed as 4/5, I was able to comfortably get a 4wt on the Rush, and a 5wt on the OB. A 5wt line on the Rush 4 would limit the amount of backing to nearly nothing. I like narrower spool reels, so the Rush works fine for its intended purpose. Both reels are well built and light: Rush 4 is 4.85oz, and the OB-4 is 4.95oz. The Rush has a much larger and easier to reach drag knob than the OB, but the OB's knob is not difficult to use at all. They're both fine reels, and I'd be hard pressed to have to say which one I like better. Both reels have a matte black finish, but not a chalky matte. More of what I'd call an eggshell finish, and it's very attractive. The knob is an hour glass shaped type, and very comfortable to use.
Galvan Customer Service: The OB-4 was sent in for evaluation a couple weeks ago, and they replaced the bearings, spindle, clutch ring, spool release button, and re-built the drag..all at NO CHARGE!!!! Not even a charge for return shipping. I spoke to Carmen Galvan on the phone twice, and she was very helpful, patient, and friendly.
I'd highly recommend either (although the OB has been dicontinued, they are still available new if you look around). The Galvan Torque and Rush same the same drag system, but the Torque is more machined to save weight. The weight savings is minimal, however, and the difference is .3oz in the #4 size. The Rush was on my 8'6" 4wt Sage ZXL, and the OB on my 5wt Z-Axis. Both reels were noticeably lighter than the reels I've been using for the past several months, and I wouldn't need any less weight on the butt end of either rod. Just keep in mind that you might want to consider line ratings for the Rush very carefully. I have a minimum amount of backing on the reel, and get 1/8-1/4" of clearance with a 4wt weight foward line. That amount is what I consider safe with a wider spool reel, and would prevent jamming if not overly careful while retrieving line. A double taper 4wt would require a single layer. Once again, not a problem. I bought this as a 4wt reel, and use weight foward lines.
Chi flyfisher turned me onto Galvan Reels and I boy am I glad! I was in the market for a new 3wt reel and was hoping to find a Spring Creek like the one he had but they were gone, despite the fact that the shop still had them listed. They gave me a Rush 3 for $50 off for the inconvenience. How could I pass this up? I have yet to throw loops with it, but what a sweet little reel!
I then found another Galvan that I couldn't pass up...a T6 from a private seller. I've landed Steelies on that on and man is that one smooth and solid drag!
Hard to say which is best with them, their customer service or their products. I really don't think there is a bad Galvan choice out there.
Congrats on your purchases, here's to putting them to good use!
Moscapescador, Frank Whiton, Bigfly, and others all had very good things to say about Galvan. I really like these reels. Their fit and finish is not on the same level as an Abel, but if you've never handled an Abel, you'd probably think the Galvan is 100%.
Rush vs. Torque: The Torque seems to get all the press, but Carmen Galvan told me that both reels have identical drag systems. Why spend an extra $100 for a reel that is simply a bit lighter? The Rush is the nicer looking reel IMO...
I've handled Abels but have not fished them. Chi flyfisher has several of them, and they are incredibly machined pieces of equipment, borderline works of art. Still, Galvan makes one heckuva nice reel in my opinion and I'm hooked on them.
The drag is butter smooth and is the same between the Rush and Torque, but don't take my word over Carmen's! lol The difference is weight, which for larger rigs may make a difference if you're casting all day. The photos of the Rush I've seen on the net REALLY don't do it the justice it deserves. Enjoy it Frank!
Frank, glad you are done shopping and can go fishing!
Galvans are nicely machined in the US. With home spun people in charge, instead of a corporation...
But mostly, the drag just breaks a fishes heart.....
To answer your question about money and weight; here, we often need extra backing to chase a fish in heavy water. So go up one size at least on a reel. Eg. 4-5, 6-7.
Allows you to use a "heavier" reel on a lighter rod, but keeps it balanced.
I use a T-8 on my 6wt switch, for clearance with fat lines. I think it balances well. It might be a little too heavy with a heavier 8wt reel.
For me, function rules over price.
Maybe cut a little off, the back end, of your wt forward line. Gives you a little more room between the OB-4 reel frame and line. But keep all your backing.
I'm going to have to go out West one of these days. Tales of fish going into the backing are pretty much just a dream in Pennsylvania. The only time I went into my backing while fishing, was when I dropped a spool in the middle of a river. I was wading chest deep, and the only way to retrieve the spool was to pull on the backing until I reached the arbor knot. That was back in the days when I put 200 yards of backing on a reel. Now I'm happy with an 1/8" coating of any old backing.
My wife has line stacking issues (reels all the line onto one side of the spool), so when I buy skeletal type of reels, I get the 3.5" diameter sizes for 4 and 5wt lines. Her Galvan OB-4 hold much more line than the Rush 4, and she was using the OB this afternoon. No fish, but no line stacking problems either.
I could fully understand how weight becomes an issue with the larger sizes, but haven't looked at the charts to compare the Rush and Torque in sizes over #5. Sounds like Friday night fun....