Originally Posted by BigCliff
Jocelin, you seem to be operating under the assumption that all die-casting is equally crappy. This seems to me to be about like thinking a Diamondglass rod is the same as the $12 yellow buggy whips eagle claw sells.
(I'm not saying the quality difference is equal, just saying that there's more to a product than what ingredients its made from. Maybe comparing an IM6 rod sold at Dick's to a TFO rod is more relevant.)
I hear what you saying i know they use a special high pressure die cast procedure. I never said the die cast reel were inferior but simply noted their price range. Were talking almost 3 times the price range. Are you prepared to say that the konic is 2 to 3 times better and stronger than other low price reels made of die cast procedure
Is Lamson the only one using high pressure in the forging
What I am saying is all with the pricing and the only good reason lamson gives us is the drag system did you read their site
even them are trying to justify the price, do you know of another reel company that tried to justify the price of their reels
Introducing the new Lamson Konic
Our goal is to bring the best technology in reels to any given price point. Weâ€™ve now addressed the important $100+ price point with Konic. Please read on to find out what makes Konic a better reel than any other comparably priced alternative.
When designing the Konic, we started with one given: to incorporate the same fully sealed conical drag system and stainless steel roller clutch used in our high-end reels. The drag system in Konic uses the same fully machined parts, made of the same materials, and to the same specifications, as the drag used in the $400+ Waterworks reels or any of our other high-end reels. This is the principal benefit of the Konic versus competitive reels. What other $100+ reel can say that it shares proven drag technology with a $400+ reel?
In order to deliver this expensive drag in a low-priced reel we are die casting the frame and spool. But this is no low-end die casting. This is Pressure Casting with molten ALDC12 aluminum alloy injected at 1,080 kgs pressure to ensure consistent, smooth and strong parts with lower porosity. Contrast this method with the Gravity Casting used by competitors. Our frame and spool are solid single-part pieces. Again, contrast this with 2-part cast spools that our competition uses. Once cast, the frame and spool are â€śskim cutâ€ť on CNC machines, a process in which a thin surface layer is cut away to provide a finish comparable to fully-machined reel.
We use a 100% solid polyurethane coating to provide a finish that is very resistant to gouging and abrasion. Contrast this to the weaker electrostatic paints that competitive reels use.
The Konic is a lightweight, true large arbor reel. Itâ€™s strong, good looking, well put-together and frugal. These are virtues in a fly reel, or a spouse. We canâ€™t help you with the latter, but now we can ship you the former. Konic will be available beginning late August â€™07 in a 5-6 weight; and followed in early September with a 3-4 weight. Larger sizes will be available in early â€™08:
Is die cast inferior to machined bar stock? There are really two issues here: strength and beauty. The question of strength is a complicated one, but letâ€™s concede that a machined part is stronger, in general, than a die cast part. The better question is this: is a die cast part strong enough? Yes, if designed correctly. As evidence, just about every metal part in your car is die cast including your wheels. Are the highways littered with failed cast aluminum wheels? The other issue is beauty. Itâ€™s true that a machined part has more finish options than a die cast part. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and behold Konic: it looks goooooood.