The North American Fly Fishing Forum


Go Back   The North American Fly Fishing Forum > Tackle Talk > Fly Reels

Fly Reels Post any comments or questions regarding fly reels...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-20-2012, 04:41 PM
sweetandsalt's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: -
Posts: 2,388
sweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant futuresweetandsalt has a brilliant future
Default Large vs. Standard Arbor Reels

Quote:
Originally Posted by cochise View Post
Can anyone tell me why something as simple as a LA took so long to come about. Materials, engineering, intelligence? What turned the tide?
Under General Discussions there is a thread about LA reels for Spey rods which inspired me to broaden this issue here for the reel specialists. I invite and welcome historical observations to fill in or correct my memory but the first large, really by today's lexicon, "mid-arbor", reel I recall was Hardy's Prince (& Golden Prince) in the early 1980's. I bought one through a British catalog and found it innovative but too loud and soon retired it (banished it to a cardboard box somewhere). The first true large arbor reel that I encountered was the original Loop built, I believe, by Danielsson in Sweden. Truly an exaggerated large arbor it featured a terrible drag system that, when set, you reeled against with the same resistance as the outgoing force.


There was very slow acceptance of the large arbor concept by fly fishers because they appeared to be so much larger than their weight and line capacity where. Today a 4" diameter reel might be for a 4-weight but back in the day more likely a 9-weight. Visuals count a lot in our appropriately aesthetically rich sport but reel designers loved the large arbor concepts with good reason. Rods over the past two decades have gotten progressively lighter and to balance them correctly, lighter reels were called for. However, to make traditional reels lighter meant making them smaller and out of lighter materials and we wound up (to pick on one of my favorite reels of its time) with CFO III's being rated for and paired with #5 even 6-weight rods while holding 25 yards of Dacron. Really it was a 3-weight reel, I went to a CFO IV for 4-weight. A first generation Bauer was the first larger arbor and disc drag reel I ever seriously used trout fishing. Showing up with this thing on the Henry's Fork, my Western buddies thought my dark side, saltwater fly fishing had negatively effected me. Classic Hardy's still ruled the day but I was transformed; those big old bows came to net more quickly and photographed and released much greener with the use of a smooth actual drag vs. an overrun check and the larger arbor picked up line noticeably faster getting a big boy on the reel more quickly. I was not alone in this assessment and as the 90's moved toward a new century, large arbors proliferated as did usable drag designs, previously reserved for salmon and saltwater reels. Now for clarity's sake lets understand that to take a standard arbor reel like a CFO IV or Abel 3 or 4N and fill it to maximum capacity with backing you have effectively created a "large arbor" for the fly line to wrap around. You have the added weight of the backing but if the reel balances...so what? Marketing large arbor reels centers around the advantage of larger coils of line around the arbor to reduce line memory and promote more rapid pick-up of slack, both true enough if not entirely critical to fly fishing for trout. It is more relevant if you pursue false albacore or bonefish but a smooth, linear drag is most important for these powerful fly rod species. So the main advantage of a large arbor is the relationship between capacity and balancing weight; being larger in diameter more backing and line can be mounted on a lighter reel as the inside of the arbor has as little material in it as necessary to house the drag mechanism and preserve structural integrity. A secondary but not insignificant advantage is that this interior open space affords reel designers room for all manor of new drag designs like modules of stacked synthetic elements or out sized discs of conventional or exotic materials...give a designer space and he will figure out a good way to fill it. Also, give a designer a concept and he may strive to push its envelope. If a large arbor is good lets make it bigger and compensate for the lager diameters limiting line and backing capacity by making it wider. That solution, though popular for a while, is falling by the wayside as anglers, particularly in the salt, struggled to regain line uniformly and intuitively on spools in excess of an inch wide. The obvious solution; make the spool narrower but even larger and some are tapering the inside diameter of the spool's arbor to enhance backing capacity and uniform line retrieval.

So now I show up on the Fork with a Hardy, but it is an Ultralite DD which is outrageously large arbored, with stacked disc drag of carbon fiber elements, inwardly tapered spool and...no one says a word like, "is that from outer space?" They all have something like this too, I'm kind of disappointed.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Large arbor reels ibfishin General Discussion 12 11-20-2012 12:23 PM
Leeda Profil 9/10 large arbor fly reels and spools Ebay Canada Fly Reels for Sale 0 01-13-2012 01:10 AM
A few thoughts on reels- Large, mid and standard arbor- russellb General Discussion 23 11-07-2011 11:07 AM
ABEL Super 2 Standard & Large Arbor FLY FISHING REEL SET Fish 2 to 6-weight Ebay USA Fly Reels for Sale 0 10-02-2011 09:40 PM
Abel Creek Large vs. Standard Arbor atxflyfish Fly Reels 5 06-02-2010 09:32 PM













All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
2005-2014 The North American Fly Fishing Forum. All rights reserved.