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Old 03-07-2013, 08:15 AM
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Default Lamson Litespeed 2??

so i have never owned a Lamson but i actually like the looks of the litespeed! do these reels have outgoing clicks or are they silent? also how well does the hard alox hold up? any comments on this or any lamson model is appreciated.

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Old 03-07-2013, 08:31 AM
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so i have never owned a Lamson but i actually like the looks of the litespeed! do these reels have outgoing clicks or are they silent? also how well does the hard alox hold up? any comments on this or any lamson model is appreciated.

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I have several Waterworks- Lamson reels all with their alox coating and IMHO they are well built, tough and attractive. My reels have a soft outgoing click compared to my Hardy click reels (which I like). I now have a Litespeed 1.5, Speedster 1.5, and Velocity 2.0 to match several rods in the 3 wt. to 4 weight class. Love them. I have seen my Litespeed dropped 4 feet onto a hard floor without any sign of damage. At some point they will all show some signs of wear as they are used. I call that a patina.
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great! thanks for the info. i also have a hardy dd ultralite 4000 that i really enjoy. its a real piece of rod jewelry! i actually thought about adding a 3000 to my arsenal but noticed the lamson litespeed and liked the looks of it.
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Default Re: Lamson Litespeed 2??

You are new so have been spared my wrath on this subject. However, since you have a Hardy U DD with a NARROW aspect ratio, recognize that with the exception of the "Speedster" (semingly influenced by your Hardy), ALL Waterworks/Lamson reels suffer from a dysfunctionaly WIDE (over and inch) and shallow spool ratio. This promotes uneven line retrieval that can only be overcome by carefully paying disproportionate attention to uniform line retrieval . One would really have to like the looks of Lamsons (which do look cool) to put up with this design anomaly.
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Default Re: Lamson Litespeed 2??

i see that the litespeed is 1.10" wide....i know my allen trout reels are 1.06" so i dont think i would notice any negative effects. it seems the lamsons have other subtle attributes i like.....counterweight is part of the spool( no hung up line), the hard alox coating, the spool release is very simple( fewer moving parts).
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i see that the litespeed is 1.10" wide....i know my allen trout reels are 1.06" so i dont think i would notice any negative effects. it seems the lamsons have other subtle attributes i like.....counterweight is part of the spool( no hung up line), the hard alox coating, the spool release is very simple( fewer moving parts).
I may look differently at my Lamsons now that I see they are "dysfunctional". I fish brooks, small rivers and some lakes. Never had an issue with any of them in my limited fishing experience. As well as I have never taken such an in depth analytic view as you see expressed here. Too technical for me. I am curious if this problem occurs when retrieving line only at a fast pace. Again, I haven't had the opportunity to tie into some large trout. Has anyone else out there experienced the problem with this design?
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sorry...guess you can tell im in the engineering field

and i would imagine this would only be an issue IF you were hooked into a fish that had your backing out. but like i said my allen trout reel is almost as wide and i have never had an issue?
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This intuitive retrieve issue is most pronounced in higher performance situations. Obviously, in a light trout outfit that rarely sees the whole line and backing flying off the reel behind a small stream brook trout, this deficit is diminished. Many of these reel's features are attractive as I said above...I simply bemoan the spools aspect ratios. I am quoting from myself about this wide-shallow design feature from a post last year:

"Last week my wife and I enjoyed our annual adventure to a bonefish lodge in a remote, out-island Bahamian locale. Upon our arrival, there was but one other guest in camp, a tall, athletic, very hard core young (30's) man from Colorado. He had been bonefishing on another more southerly island with a friend and when the friend needed to return to the States, he ventured to this camp, on the doorstep of a spectacular fishery, on his own for two more weeks of pedal-to-the-metal fishing. We were pleased to meet this charming fellow flats fanatic who tied beautiful, imaginative flies and gave serious consideration to all his equipment. He was particularly enamored of his ultimate in light weight brace of rods. On the front porch rod rack he had a Helios #7 & 8 each mounted with a Waterworks reel loaded with gelspun backing to provide adequate capacity on their shallow/wide spools behind tropical floating lines. Picking up the 8-weight really felt impressively like holding a 6. He had caught dozens of bonefish on these rigs and was very enthusiastic. On the last day of his epic trip his skiff and ours arrived back at our home dock simultaneously and, as we slowly motored in, he held aloft a handful of broken rod sections. He had landed several fish and then, battling a particularly good one and regaining line, something happened. Focusing on the fish he had neglected to pay enough attention to the uniformity of distribution of the re-spooling line and, as it is prone to in wider/shallow designs, line built up unevenly to one side and jammed against the reel frame pillar. This is common and the usual result is a fish swimming off with a fly with tippet trailing behind it embedded in its jaw. In this more extreme case, the angler tied good knots and used strong fluorocarbon material and rather than knot failure, experienced catastrophic rod failure...the abrupt reel lock-up caused by the line jam made the rod break in two places, mid and upper butt section simultaneously. "

I strongly feel though that even in a 4-weight outfit where compromise in a reel's design may rarely be revealed, I don't wish to reward a designers work that I consider to er on the engineering over angling attributes. Particularly when there are better designed, equally light weight alternatives like the Hardy U DD and the Nautilus FWX which not only are more angling friendly but feature larger, smarter surface area drag assemblies as well.
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Default Re: Lamson Litespeed 2??

sweetandsalt....that story really made a point for me! i think i'll not venture far from what works.....looks like i need another beauty ( hardy dd) i love the looks of my 4000 and like the drag! do you see any issues with the dd being fragile?
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Default Re: Lamson Litespeed 2??

Sweetandsalt, that is a very interesting story. And newbies like me should listen to veterans like you and the others here. I am sure the guy who started this forum will fish the flats more than I do. However, I am taking some serious notes about the line management.

I have decided to have the Lamson Litespeed 3.5 as my go to saltwater reel over the FWX 7/8 and Ross LT4; because of the Hard Alox, backing capacity and the simplicity of the drag system and my basspro shop points and store credits.
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