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Old 04-17-2014, 02:55 PM
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Regarding Speedster. Its proportions make it the only Waterworks I might consider and I like its looks and name but I have not fished one. Many have complimented the smoothness of the dual mating cone drag system and I am sure it is good. However, in comparison to the other three mentioned, it has significantly less sweep area...the total square inches of drag surface. Also with the spool removed, the one way clutch bearing is exposed so not sealed while the others are "more" sealed. If you go into a shop, give them a little squeeze to check for rigidity and unsung important feature as you get up in reel size.

All these reels are very light weight and balance is very important. It is my attitude that I decide on the rod first then select a reel from the several predetermined contenders (based on capacity, performance, quality, price, etc.) that best balances the rod in weight and also aesthetics. I ignore the mfg. line size recommendation and often go larger for correct balance and extra backing. And I have no problem with user maintainability; sealed is in style and they get better all the time but tried and true cork draw-bar designs like Abel and Islander are great reels though the cork surface can be problematic if you fish winter steelhead in frigid temps.
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Thanks S&S!

I appreciate your insight. I really need to spend a little time and get comfortable with some other brands and perhaps learn a little more about their respective drag systems. I also like to go a size up in most cases to help balance my rods. With some of these, at the 7/8 wt range, you can very quickly go from a reel that weighs a little over 5oz. to a reel that weighs over 8 with no other options in between. It could make balancing a rod rather interesting.


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When I'm fishing my 7wt rod for Great Lakes Steelhead, it's matched with a Galvan T-6. I've been very pleased with it over the past 3 seasons. If you don't want to drop that much coin, you can get the Rush LT series for less than the Torque. It's heavier (5.7oz vs 5.2 oz on the Torque) due to less machining but the drag is the same. Depending on your preference you might appreciate the .5 added weight of the Rush LT. Either a T-8/R-8 is a little too much reel for a 7wt in my opinion so stick with the 6. It's not the weight, but the spool width. The R/T-6 is .950 versus the R/T-8 is 1.25.
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It just occurred to me that I left out Cheeky "Mojo"; appropriate in this size with a fully sealed, stacked drag system. There is a review of it in Gear Reviews, above in this Forum.

Also Allan Fly Fishing should be coming out with their much anticipated "Omega" sometime soon which will also be a contender.
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Bauer Fly Reels....new or used. M4, MSL's, Rogue, etc. worth a check before the jump (IMHO)
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When I'm fishing my 7wt rod for Great Lakes Steelhead, it's matched with a Galvan T-6. I've been very pleased with it over the past 3 seasons. If you don't want to drop that much coin, you can get the Rush LT series for less than the Torque. It's heavier (5.7oz vs 5.2 oz on the Torque) due to less machining but the drag is the same. Depending on your preference you might appreciate the .5 added weight of the Rush LT. Either a T-8/R-8 is a little too much reel for a 7wt in my opinion so stick with the 6. It's not the weight, but the spool width. The R/T-6 is .950 versus the R/T-8 is 1.25.
Thanks Jaybo,

This is helpful. I'm considering a 10' rod. The extra weight could be a positive. For the rest of it, you've answered some of the questions I had after looking at the Galvin site. I didn't know if the drag on the Torque was shared by other reels.

What kind and length rod do you have that a T-6 balances?


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I have my T-6 paired with a 10ft BIIX. It's very light and the T-6 gives it a nice balance.
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It just occurred to me that I left out Cheeky "Mojo"; appropriate in this size with a fully sealed, stacked drag system. There is a review of it in Gear Reviews, above in this Forum.

Also Allan Fly Fishing should be coming out with their much anticipated "Omega" sometime soon which will also be a contender.
Thanks again S&S. I haven't read your cheeky review yet, but I will. It would be great if Allen released something that fit what I'm looking for.

Did you know that all of this research I'm doing is largely your fault? I've been reading your posts off and on for some time. I think I'm finally getting some of what you been saying about reels, at least enough to test it for myself. I may never sell off my Lamson reels. I am willing to concede that I've got a lot to learn and that some new ideas could be a good thing!

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I have my T-6 paired with a 10ft BIIX. It's very light and the T-6 gives it a nice balance.
The rod I buy should be equally light and will most likely be a 10footer. If the T-6 works for your situation, it could be a real contender with mine. If nothing else, it may help to establish a weight range for this upcoming reel. I'll try to remember to post what I wind up buying.

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I find my Nautilus FW is so light that it just can't balance a 9' rod well enough for me. If you decide on a 10' rod I would look elsewhere for sure. I have come to appreciate the slight heft of my Solitude mid harbor and no longer look at newer and lighter designs.
Good point! This is the other end of the spectrum. Some of today's reels are best described as pieces of art. If they are too light though, which many are, it just doesn't do us any good. This is one of the reasons why I like to buy a size up. You get a little more room on the spool and a little extra weight!


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Nautilus FWX 7/8 for $325 shipped, new. Or, there is a Nautilus FW7+ for $259 on ebay, mint condition. Either will be a kickash reel sealed drag (buttery smooth) and 100% made in the USA with an awesome warranty and even better customer service.
I will have to second the Nautilus reels, i used then on saltwater stuff for years, with no problems. They are a little lighter on the drag in the FW series, but what you listed to fish for you should be fine.
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I have FWX 7/8 perfectly balanced on my ONE #5...a very light rod. And I have Torque T-6 perfectly balanced on my NRX #4 which is heavier than the ONE. It is true that FWX does not have the drag head room of their top tier, excellent NV saltwater reels but it definitely has enough and importantly smooth and fine tunable drag for most fishing situations. I have nothing personal against Waterworks/Lamson. I consider them to have innovative and clever ideas like designing the spool to be in balance sans added counterweight and I like the tech heavy look. And I imagine in many trout fishing situations they are just fine. It's when lots of line is taken and needs to be retrieved that fundamental design flaws are revealed. I have read their design philosophy on their web site and have spoken with them on the phone and their engineering concept about spool aspect ratio is accurate, it just doesn't fish well without undue attention. Too often a tackle company gets excited about an idea and determines to stick with it no matter what. Not just in our little fly fishing industry; GM used a faulty ignition assembly apparently for years on multiple models and knew it was no good. That is really about money of course whereas Lamson's proprietary design elements are about what...pride in uniqueness? Eventually they will go further in the direction of Speedster which I would not be surprised if it was inspired by some of the threads written in this Forum. No company understands performance reel characteristics better than Abel which has completed the transition across the Super series range for all models to be narrow "N's". I have seen early prototypes of Abel's forthcoming sealed, stacked drag trout sized reels and it won't be long, I suspect, that I will either have to add a 4th reel make to my "recommended" list or whittle it down to just one...

I have a lot of reels, old and new, which is how I have evolved relatively objective opinions about them. When I get a new rod I mount one after another reel on it until I find one that gives neutral balance with the fulcrum point being beneath where my thumb would be positioned on the grip. Of course all these reels would have backing and line on them; not necessarily the right line of course. I then check among my computerized records or on the internet to determine the weight of that reel empty and select from among reels I like or want to experiment with one of that weight. I am aware of no formula to pre-determine this based on rod weight an length, only this trial and error method. Some would like as light a reel as possible and that is cool but I dislike the sensation of the rod tip drooping downward as I stand in the ready position waiting for that bank feeder to rise again. If anything I prefer a reel to be a hair to heavy than too light. I like to have a reel dedicated to each rod in my active quivers and keep a log in my Documents as to what line and backing, date of set up or change in line to help keep the data straight. All the reel's backing is finished with a Bimini to facilitate line switching but that is a separate Forum topic.
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