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Default Snake guide questions and thoughts; Recoils?

Reading the current thread that SweetandSalt has going, along with my planning (beginning to obsess) to put together a new rod this winter has me spending too much time researching guide options.

I am leaning to a Sage ESN 10' 3wt. The Sage chart calls for 1t (light wire) double foot snakes for the first 5 guides, then 1, 2, 3, 4. I am considering (gasp) single footers. They recommend going up 2 sizes.

I like the REC Recoil, in theory. My apprehension to single foots has been catching one on something and bending/breaking it, even though I've never broken a guide. I also want to go with black, and Recoil has a very nice looking black pearl. But the single foot blackies are recommended for 5wt and above, though they are size 1. What gives? Would a size 1 single foot Recoil standard wire be two step up from a 1t double foot? I don't know. I know I'll probably have to send an inquiry to them. But I'm always skeptical of being sold.

So if anyone has experience with using these guides, I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.
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I have used single foot guides on rods before. I have never had a problem with them. I have never used the recoil guides though. I just didn't like the way they look.
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Do the recoil guide sizes match snake sizing? I haven't used recoils but remember I had to adjust guide sizing when I did singles on a rod.
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I have used single foot guides on rods before. I have never had a problem with them. I have never used the recoil guides though. I just didn't like the way they look.
Do you mean the doubled coil look? They are different. This is the image from Hook&Hackle for the single foot. What? I am I crazy?
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The black single foots that are pictured on the REC website look pretty normal.
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Or are these not the spring back type? I'm confused by these and the REC website really has no info, just pictures and pricing.

William, this is my main question. I'll have to email the company and ask. Like their website says, the black single foot #1 is recommended for 5wt and above. But not the chrome #1. I don't get it.
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Default Re: Snake guide questions and thoughts; Recoils?

I have used the recoils. There sizing for the single foot fly guides is the same for snake style. Some things about the recoils, They have a singing when casting that bothers some people, the smaller sizes are diffucult to wrap because they like to bend while wrapping, hard to adjust for same reason and they are pricey especially the black pearls. I generally do not use them unless someone specifically states that those are what they want.Where I do use them if someone says that they do a lot of winter fishing and ice up is a problem, because you can run your hands down the guides and the ice just falls off because they bend. I prefer to use Minnima 4's and I believe they are now available in black frames.
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ice up is a problem, because you can run your hands down the guides and the ice just falls off because they bend.
That's pretty cool. I didn't think they were that flexible. Good to know.
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Your building it Dean, you should build it with what ever floats your boat, I never paid any attention to what manufactures think I should or not do.

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Default Re: Snake guide questions and thoughts; Recoils?

I think the recoil thing looks cool...but my question are the wraps and epoxy going to take the bending as well?? I guess its an option to keep you fishing if you had some sort of mishap...

actually I would use them only because they look cool...no other reason...and as far as what snakes and strips to use...its what you think looks best...they all function OK...I have just started to try out the ss strips w/ gold ring inserts on some bamboo speys...for no other reason than they look really cool...

I have single and double snake rods that are 40 years old and older... fiberglass and bamboo...they all still fish fine...

sometimes this all can get a little to micro managed for me...just do what you like...a sage blank is big $$...so maybe use something a little fancier than normal...??

good luck...winter has set in here...time to tie and build...
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