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random user 04-30-2013 01:35 PM

5-Weight Revamp
 
I'm posting this up because I am looking for advice, tips, trick, etc that people are willing to share.
(No need to be gentle with liberal application of The 2x4 o' Enlightenment.)

This is bid 1 for me. Started by stripping a 8'6" Pflueger 5 weight that the only thing I am really sure of is that it was well used by 1994.

These are the first wraps for me. Thread is rayon embroidery thread.

http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/fo...irst-wraps.jpg

Not the most glorious of victories, but it's a win for me - guide is super tight.

Color choices weren't so well thought out. Will probably change up to a dark and light olive or something similar.

Probably should have started with the tougher "A" nylon instead of the more fragile rayon. Skipping the trim bands the first time around might have been a good idea too, but an ugly win is still a win.

badfish creek 04-30-2013 02:55 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Please do a test with your wrap epoxy before you get any father along using this thread. Most embroidery thread has silicone or some other type of lube on it. This will cause massive fisheyes in your epoxy.

Rip Tide 04-30-2013 03:00 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Don't wrap those guides in too tight
After you get them all on you're going to have to make sure that they're all lined up straight. For that you're going to need a little wiggle room.

swirlchaser 04-30-2013 05:02 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by badfish creek (Post 551546)
Please do a test with your wrap epoxy before you get any father along using this thread. Most embroidery thread has silicone or some other type of lube on it. This will cause massive fisheyes in your epoxy.

I use embroidery thread almost exclusively, both with and without color preservative. The trick is to make sure your first coat is very light, barely covering the thread. Embroidery thread does have some silicone in i to help it run through the machinery but it's only a factor if you put on a heavy first coat on.

Hardyreels 04-30-2013 06:29 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
I left some comment on your blog here, it is full of good info. Looks like you're doing just fine,

Ard

random user 04-30-2013 09:02 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rip Tide (Post 551547)
Don't wrap those guides in too tight
After you get them all on you're going to have to make sure that they're all lined up straight. For that you're going to need a little wiggle room.

I've been struggling with that. keeping them lined up perfectly. What you're saying makes a lot of sense, but I thought what caused the guides to spiral around the blanks was loose wraps. So, I am guessing it is some elusive balance of just loose enough and not too tight.

---------- Post added at 08:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:49 PM ----------

I do have a question on this for which I could use some experienced advice.

Guide sizes:
Bought a Hook& Hackle set: 12, 10, 3, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1.

These are looking a little tight to me for a 5-weight. Most other sources I have come across seem to go a little larger.

The other side I have seen is from the St. Croix site: 12, 4, 4 ,4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3.

I'm going to be ordering some "A" nylon because the rayon is just too delicate for me to work right now, and I have enough to be paying attention to. I keep snapping the thread because the spool tension sometimes gets suddenly too tight. Should I order some larger guides?

petee 05-01-2013 06:45 AM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Like most things in rod building, you will never get concenus on guide sizing. However for me.... the sizes you have should be plenty good for a 8'6" 5 wt. I do know that Tom Morgan goes even smaller with his guide sizes.

Sent you a PM.

Pete

swirlchaser 05-02-2013 11:56 AM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by petee (Post 551762)
Like most things in rod building, you will never get concenus on guide sizing. However for me.... the sizes you have should be plenty good for a 8'6" 5 wt. I do know that Tom Morgan goes even smaller with his guide sizes.

Sent you a PM.

Pete

What he said^^^
I normally lean towards larger guides but I don't thing it has a measurable effect on casting my reasons are more practical:
1. Smaller guides ice up faster in the winter
2. I fish alot of shooting heads and passing loop-to-loop connections through a size 1 is a PITA
3. I HATE wrapping on a size 1 guide, I have fat fingers and I always end up cursing up a storm :ranting3:

random user 05-02-2013 09:35 PM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
You mean it is going to get worse as I work down the blank?

I am getting pretty good at the #12 and #10 stripper guides. Not completely satisfied yet.

Rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, ad nausium.

I thought they guide set was a bit tight, but passable. I have bigger things to worry about right now. Worst case is I get to to it all again. This is a learning attempt for me, so I'll learn.

swirlchaser 05-03-2013 06:49 AM

Re: 5-Weight Revamp
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by random user (Post 552415)
You mean it is going to get worse as I work down the blank?

I am getting pretty good at the #12 and #10 stripper guides. Not completely satisfied yet.

Rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, rewrap, recheck, reunwrap, ad nausium.

I thought they guide set was a bit tight, but passable. I have bigger things to worry about right now. Worst case is I get to to it all again. This is a learning attempt for me, so I'll learn.

Lol, wrapping a size 1 at the tip of a fly rod blank is the stuff dreams are made of. Said no one, ever!


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