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fyshstykr 01-04-2009 11:58 PM

Larger or smaller....
When I first learned to turn a rod the fella that showed me said that "larger guides make it easier for the line to shoot thrue", recently I was looking through some various sites provided by some of you folks in another thread and seen that one of the rod companies deliberatly uses smaller guides to keep the flyline tracking closer to the rod.

I've been thinking about this and it makes sense to me that a smaller set of guides would allow the line to cast smoother, shoot better, and possibly be more accurate. I realize guides are but a small part of the equation here, but bare with me.

Wouldn't smaller guides allow for less 'Rattle/bounce' of the line going thrue them? allowing the afore mentioned things to happen?

Wouldn't larger guides allow for more 'slop' as the line shoots?

Am I just behind the times?:eek:

I'm not meaning the 'Striper guides', just the snake or single foot guides.

arfishinbear 01-05-2009 08:01 AM

Re: Larger or smaller....
Not that I have any experiance makeing rods(yet), I like the smaller eyes better on the rods I own. I have a couple older ones with larger eyes and newer ones with smaller, now I know part of it is the rods themselves, but it does seem to me that the smaller eyed rods cast better. just my thoughts

Rip Tide 01-05-2009 08:30 AM

Re: Larger or smaller....
You would think that smaller guides would 'funnel' the line better and allow for better shooting, but unfortunately that's not the case.
There is a lot of 'slop' and small guides actually 'choke' the line, slowing the shooting speed.
Not tapering the guide size from rear to front helps with this too, but it looks out of place
Another reason for big guides is to help avoid problems with tangles created by hard charging fish. Small tangles may at least travel through larger guides, while the same tangle with small guides would pop the tippet of worse
Big guides may not look as pretty but they're best as long as they don't make the rod tip heavy.

BigCliff 01-05-2009 09:44 AM

Re: Larger or smaller....
I think a small shooting guide (nearest the cork) is going to function as a bottleneck, because you are going to have some rippling and such as the line shoots through.

The most effective guide arrangement for shooting line I've seen was on a rod built up by Allen Crise of Glen Rose, TX. He uses a large shooting guide and then positions a slightly smaller guide somewhere in the range of 5-8" ahead of it. It looks a bit odd, but has a remarkable effect on smoothing out the wiggles in the line. I think it has to do with harmonics or some other part of physics I've forgotten about. I don't know that he's the originator of the idea, but that was the best line shooting 5wt I've ever cast.

FrankB2 01-05-2009 09:52 AM

Re: Larger or smaller....
I read the infamous "5wt Shoot Out" done by Yellowstone Anglers, and they liked the smaller guides used on Tom Morgan and Sage Z-Axis rods. I've never
even seen a Tom Morgan rod, but can tell you that if the small guides on a
Z-Axis hold back the line, it would be an amazing sight to see what larger
guides do :eek: ! I should note the the stripper guide is quite small on the
5wt Z-Axis.

EDIT: I had a Redington RS3 7wt rod, and ALL of the guides were large. The last 3 snake guides were 3/8" from the blank, and the line
slap caused me to return the rod to Cabela's (eventhough it was $89). It cast fine, but the slap was annoying.

fyshstykr 01-05-2009 12:08 PM

Re: Larger or smaller....

Originally Posted by BigCliff (Post 43789)
I think a small shooting guide (nearest the cork) is going to function as a bottleneck, because you are going to have some rippling and such as the line shoots through.

I agree.

I have my favorite rod a older Loomis 9', 4wt, 2 pc, that needs to be rewrapped this Winter, I'm thinking that I will go with the smaller snake foot guides.

Another thing I will do with this rod is to 'Static Test' the guides for placement, up to this point I have always trusted that the spacing chart from the manufacturer was the way to go, kinda questioning that now after reading the 'Static Test' thread.

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