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Old 07-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

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I have never cast either rod but if you want fast try a TFO TICR X.
I pretty sure his question was specific. Both rods he asked about are in an entire different league than the TFO's.
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

Hi Tajue17,

The B11X is going to be a soft tip rod for sure, if that is what you are after. The B11MX or the Xi2 is a better choice for saltwater but you may think both are stiff. If there is any fishing that needs a fast action it is saltwater. You are always faced with wind and long cast. A fast tip action rod is always going to feel stiff to someone that is accustomed to a medium or medium-fast rod.



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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

Tajue17 did ask if there were other rods he should look at in his first post .

I would suggest wiggling/casting a Sage Z-Axis. Z-Axis rods throw a line
fast, but aren't as stiff as the Xi2. I never cast the Xi2 because I didn't like
it's color, and it felt too stiff right off the rack. Best to cast them all, and
if you don't have a shop nearby, buy them from one with a return policy.
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

A year ago I test drove the Sage Xi2, Scott S2s and the Winston BIIX in 8 wts. I was looking into fishing for saltwater redfish and speckled trout. My mission was to compare these to the TFO TiCrX which I had cast in about 15 knot winds and struggled with due to it's weight and my inexperience double hauling. At the demo I was able to 'parking lot' cast the Sage and Scott 90 ft in 10 knot winds. I then turned to the Winston out of curiosity and found I could cast the entire line! I bought the Winston and loved it, that is until I got out to the marshes and had to cast a wind resistant fly in 20 knot winds. It was altogether a different animal. In retrospect I should have purchased the Sage which was a little stiffer and almost as light. My consideration initially was an old rotator cuff injury and finding the lightest rod was my priority). I've been fishing the Boron IIX for about a year now both in Louisiana and FLorida and have overcome my learning curve. If you have a normal shoulder, normal strength, I would recommend the Xi2 instead. I don't entirely regret buying the Winston but I've learned to work around it's few shortcomings. Realize that you don't have to cast 90+ ft to get into fish and if the winds are less than howling your will be fine though I would still recommend the Sage considering the flies your gonna be throwing. Have fun with your test drive.
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A year ago I test drove the Sage Xi2, Scott S2s and the Winston BIIX in 8 wts. I was looking into fishing for saltwater redfish and speckled trout. My mission was to compare these to the TFO TiCrX which I had cast in about 15 knot winds and struggled with due to it's weight and my inexperience double hauling. At the demo I was able to 'parking lot' cast the Sage and Scott 90 ft in 10 knot winds. I then turned to the Winston out of curiosity and found I could cast the entire line! I bought the Winston and loved it, that is until I got out to the marshes and had to cast a wind resistant fly in 20 knot winds. It was altogether a different animal. In retrospect I should have purchased the Sage which was a little stiffer and almost as light. My consideration initially was an old rotator cuff injury and finding the lightest rod was my priority). I've been fishing the Boron IIX for about a year now both in Louisiana and FLorida and have overcome my learning curve. If you have a normal shoulder, normal strength, I would recommend the Xi2 instead. I don't entirely regret buying the Winston but I've learned to work around it's few shortcomings. Realize that you don't have to cast 90+ ft to get into fish and if the winds are less than howling your will be fine though I would still recommend the Sage considering the flies your gonna be throwing. Have fun with your test drive.
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I also have shoulder issues and my stroke is shorter than most flats folks but I do aggressively haul when I need 60-70 feet of line and lots of thumb, if I remember to do so, at the end of the forward stroke to tighten the loop that said either xi2 or MXII would work. I use a TCR 9wt with Ridge Tropic and just last week tried it with Cortland Crystal Tropic which was outstanding in 15-20 ktplus in Key West. However, my go to now is my TCX 10wt blank which I use 10 wt Ridge Tropic, RIO Tropical Outbound 9wt and 10 wt depending on wind. I also have a 10 wt TCR but for me it handles regular 10 wt perfectly but does not handle the increased head weight of the Outbounds like the TCX does... I would suggest a TCX try for your 9 wt if you are going to the high end rods or get a blank and roll your own as I do. However, my POV is flats sight fishing lower keys and bahamas so I do not do a large number of casting cycles.
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thank you very much everyone. my experience is about a casual 10yrs freshwater (rec-fisher) and this season I have been pretty hardcore fishing saltwater only and getting the hang of the double hall cast with medium size salt water flys (3-5" on 2 & 3's) I'm seeing that I get a way better cast on the smaller flys and the bigger flys kinda die out before all the line is out,,,,,, so should I think the line should be heavier or my double hall is not hard enough???

anyway I have the option of the parking lot cast at the shop I get my gear at (the Bears Den in Taunton, Ma.) but with all the recommendations from local guys who fish the exact same conditions (and flys) I do I'm leaning towards that but I'm not sure if its the Xi2 or theTCX and maybe I'll try the Zaxis and winston just to be sure.

thing I'm wondering now is should I go to a 10# set-up especially where the majority of my fishing is for big stripers on the south side of the cape,, theres always wind in your face and I may need to throw a huge fly!

so I'm thinking take m current reel a Abel super 7/8 and set that up as a 8# and then get a whole new set-up in 10# (or 11) so i can have both light and heavy tackle for the ocean---> I know I'm jumping around here but my mind is racing
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thank you very much everyone. my experience is about a casual 10yrs freshwater (rec-fisher) and this season I have been pretty hardcore fishing saltwater only and getting the hang of the double hall cast with medium size salt water flys (3-5" on 2 & 3's) I'm seeing that I get a way better cast on the smaller flys and the bigger flys kinda die out before all the line is out,,,,,, so should I think the line should be heavier or my double hall is not hard enough???
For an excellent demonstration of the double haul check out Lefty Kreh's tape, particularly where he keeps the stroke constant but varies the haul. As a general rule heavier flies require heavier line. and leader and tippet for turnover; however, if your timing is right, just before the end of the cast grab the line

anyway I have the option of the parking lot cast at the shop I get my gear at (the Bears Den in Taunton, Ma.) but with all the recommendations from local guys who fish the exact same conditions (and flys) I do I'm leaning towards that but I'm not sure if its the Xi2 or theTCX and maybe I'll try the Zaxis and winston just to be sure.
Here's why I use the RIO outbounds in wind(the head weights, 30-37 foot heads, are the same tropical or plain salt and are generally 175% to 200% head heavier than regularly speced line weight) so I can get the rod loaded with less line in the air to be troubled by the wind and my casting foibles

thing I'm wondering now is should I go to a 10# set-up especially where the majority of my fishing is for big stripers on the south side of the cape,, theres always wind in your face and I may need to throw a huge fly!
For me in my salt venues with my casting abilities and limitations I've never casted a bad 10 wt Sage and if you've got wind on the water fish won't know the difference between the plop of a 7 or 8 wt vs. 10 wt; however, my fishing does not require allot of casting cycles if you are blind casting intermediate or sinking lines in the surf or off boat with lots of casting then the 10 wt will give you a tennis forearm, definition in the bicep and a V grove in the tricep all without roids

so I'm thinking take m current reel a Abel super 7/8 and set that up as a 8# and then get a whole new set-up in 10# (or 11) so i can have both light and heavy tackle for the ocean---> I know I'm jumping around here but my mind is racing
8 and 10 and 12; then as your addiction really takes hold fill in with 7 and 9 and 11but 11's are like a 16 gauge. With a spool diameter of 3.9" for the super 8 and 3.750 for the super 7 with spectra backing, either's drag can handle strippers but the smaller diameter has less take up per turn of the spool. On a 10 wt I'd use Abel's spool diameter of 4.125 which is Super 9 or 11
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

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with all the recommendations from local guys who fish the exact same conditions (and flys) I do I'm leaning towards that but I'm not sure if its the Xi2 or theTCX and maybe I'll try the Zaxis and winston just to be sure.
I was hesitant in my earlier post to mention the TCX since your question specifically asked about the Xi2 and Biix, but now that you brought it up, I'll comment on the TCX. For my casting style and fishing needs, I have found that the Winston rods are perfect when I need a lower wt rod (e.g., 3 wt or 4 wt). Once I need something heavier than a 4 wt, the tip on the Winstons tends to be too soft (again, this is for my needs and casting style). Even the BIIMx is too soft in the tip (for me). For higher wts, I prefer the stiffer Sage rods. When I was looking for a 6 wt streamer rod, I was hesitant to try the TCX thinking that it would be way too stiff. It actually turned out to be easiest rod to cast with heavy flies of all the rods I tried. I also found that the TCX is still sensitive enough to feel strikes from really small fish. I kept emphasizing that these are the rods that work for me b/c your casting style may be different than mine. So, if you are still interested in the Z-Axis or Winstons, you should still try them if they are available.
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