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Old 07-02-2009, 06:28 PM
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looking for opinions from anyone who has casted these two rods,,, right now I'm using a Beulah which is nice but I'm having a tough time feeling the rod load for me.. i'm fishing saltwater using 9# intermediate lines,,, and I'm looking for the fastest possible rod that has the best load up when casting.

any other rods I should check out please mention them.

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Old 07-02-2009, 06:43 PM
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I have never cast either rod but if you want fast try a TFO TICR X. If you can not feel the rod you have you may want to try a heavier line like a Rio Outbound, or just upline one size.
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:07 PM
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sorry for not mentioning the line but the line i just bought is the Airflo saltwater "ridged" intermediate 9#---> maybe the ridged means it lighter I don't know?
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looking for opinions from anyone who has casted these two rods,,, right now I'm using a Beulah which is nice but I'm having a tough time feeling the rod load for me.. i'm fishing saltwater using 9# intermediate lines,,, and I'm looking for the fastest possible rod that has the best load up when casting.

any other rods I should check out please mention them.

thanks T in Mass

Hi Tajue,
Not feeling the rod load is a sign that the rod is too fast. To feel the rod load properly, upline to a 10 weight line. It may salvage your investment in the Beulah.

If you wish to fish a Sage Xi2, you are not going to like it since you won't feel load. It is stiffer than the Beulah Bluewater rods.

You may like the Winston B2X better because it is a "soft" fast action rod. You will be able to feel it load.

I highly suggest going to a fly shop to cast your rod and the two other rods. Make a few casts with the recommended line weights and then uplined. If you are happy with your rod uplined, stick with it. If you one of the others, it appears you'll be buying a new rod.

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sorry for not mentioning the line but the line i just bought is the Airflo saltwater "ridged" intermediate 9#---> maybe the ridged means it lighter I don't know?
Ridge Technology is the texturing on Airflo lines to limit the amount of surface area that touches the guides. This allows the the flyline to shoot more efficiently.
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

If you can find a fly shop with one or both, the best thing to do is try them for yourself as it is difficult to compare rods given that we all have different casting styles/strengths, etc.. Just as an example, I do not have any problems at all feeling the Xi2 load and I like it much better than the Biix. For me, the tip on the Biix is too soft - like a noodle. I am not saying that MoscaPescador is wrong, just that we must have different casting styles and preferences - that is why you should try them if you have a fly shop nearby that carries them.

Besides, trying new rods is part of the fun of fly fishing!
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I tried out an EBAY purchase of the IIX...

What a great rod. It was the lightest rod I have ever cast. My however was...... I nymph fish about 100% of the time. This rod just didn't have the action for nymphing I wanted.

Now if you are top water fisher... You will love it. I believe you could float a fly down like a cotton ball dropped from a table. And, do it under a 3' overhang.. It felt like an extension of my arm 40' feet out.
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PS... Watch eBay... I bought the IIX and sold it back for $10 more than I purchased it for... So you can try a rod or two with little chance of loosing money if you watch it well. Now I can tell you I missed the boat on an older Scott and sold it back for a $50 loss. However, I never would have purchased this rod in the first place and was able to try it out for two outings before I decided I didn't like it.

If I would have parking lot cast or lawn cast the IIX at a fly shop I would have fell in love with it. But on stream it didn't work what so ever. New rods are like new cars... Drive them out of the shop and you loose 50% value. The only rods that seem to hold value are the "Switch" and the "Helios" rods. The rest on eBay can be purchased used from 40 to 75% of new value. And so far I have been getting really good rods.

Also, if you might not want the rod.. Save the blank warrenty card. On eBay those rods do sell for more.
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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

When it comes to saltwater fishing I want a fast rod so I can cast into the wind and help me set the hook. I, therefore, don't expect the rod to load like a trout rod.

I too found the Winston Baron too soft. I went with the Loomis Crosscurrent, which is stiffer than the Xi2.

I can't imagine that the Xi2 is too stiff of a rod.

Perhaps a St. Croix Avid has more feel.

Yes, I agree: try the rod if you can.

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If you want a Winston, you should cast the B2MX instead of the B2X.

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Default Re: opinions on Sage Xi2 & winston boron llx

Hi Tajue17,

Apparently the Beulah is a fast or extra-fast action rod and that is giving you problems. MoscaPescador recommendation of over lining with a 10wt line is very good. That is if you casting stroke and timing is good. You don't say how much experience you have so some of the problem could be your casting stroke. You might solve your problem with a lesson or two if you can find a good teacher.

You may be faced with the situation that a fast or very-fast rod is not felt like you do with some slow or medium action fresh water rods. Maybe you are expecting to much feel from your rod. From what you have stated you may like the Winston B11X better, with its softer tip, if feel is important to you. I really think that with some help you can learn to cast your Beulah. I say that having never cast a Beulah Blue Water rod. It could be really stiff but saltwater rods usually feel stiff to new saltwater fly fishers. I do know the Xi2 is a very good saltwater rod.

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