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Old 11-05-2011, 01:59 PM
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Looking for ideas/recommendations for a second rod. I currently have Sage 590-LL which I've been fishing on and off for the last 15 years. I'm starting get back into the sport more seriously again, plus my daughter is really interested in learning so this second rod will be something for her to use when we head out fishing. I mainly fish the Eastern Sierras in California but am hoping to start fishing new waters out west, plus possibly in the TN/NC area. I was thinking with going with another 9 ft 5 wt but fast action rod, however, after attending a seminar last week at my local fly shop, the guest speaker who fishes the areas I do said his rod arsenal consisted of a 9ft 5wt, 8 ft 4 wt, 7 1/2 ft 3 wt, and 10 1/2 ft 3 wt for nymphing. After hearing this I'm thinking I should reconsider and probably not get another 9 ft 5wt, even though it would be a fast action compared to my Sage LL. For those that are familiar with the area, I typically fish Hot Creek and the Upper Owens River.
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For fishing the small streams of the Smoky Mountains an 8' 4wt is perfect. If you want to go lighter, a 7' 6" 3wt would be a good choice. I would lend toward the 4wt just because it will be better if there is a breeze...

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Old 11-05-2011, 04:16 PM
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If you had 2 LL's instead of one, would you think you need a different rod? If not, then maybe another 5 (med fast) might be the answer. If you're thinking (after the seminar) that you would want something functionally different from the LL...then for nymphing, I'd lean toward a longer 4 wt, maybe 10' for nymphing. I'd say the 4 wt over a 3 because of the winds you get in the Owens Valley. If you want a "streamer rod" you might go another direction.

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In the TN I'd be fishing roughly with an hour or so from Murfreesboro. In NC I'd be fishing in the Cashiers area. BTW - went to a great fly shop in Cashiers named Brookings

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Mikel, I'm thinking I wanted something functionally different, mainly because when my daughters not fishing with me then I'd have something different to use based on the conditions, where I'm fishing, how I'm fishing (dry or nymph), etc. If I go with a longer 4 wt, like a 10 ft, how will that work for dry flys, etc. I've only fished with my Sage 590 3 piece LL, so I don't really know what it would be like to fish a 10 ft 4 wt, versus a 8 ft 4wt, etc. Since I'm limited in how many rods I can own, I guess I'm looking for the most versatility to complement the Sage 590LL that I currently own. Thanks for your feedback.
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Aunt, my LL is stashed in a safe place. I'd hate to lose it. The 590 cast more like a 4 wt to me. So it may take some time to love a fast five wt..
My take was to get two identical rods, over time, at first both XP 5wts. Now, z-axis 5wts. A fast 5wt. would compliment your LL, and you will also see how it will expand your game over the LL. Later maybe get it's mate. I often fish one Z with a dry, and the other with an indy.
Should handle most everything size wise, whether fish, water, or wind down on the eastside..
The Zs are good on a lake, or small stream as well. You have an identical back-up in case one ever breaks.
Switching between rods, in case of breakage or tangles requires no casting adjustment.
And if I loan it out to a guest, they have a nice stick to work with whichever style they want to fish..
Another approach is of course to get a designated rod for every style, and water you fish.
This works, just not as versatile if you own fewer rods. (eg. I have a sage 99 designated for nymphing, which really doesn't throw a dry at all well, but throws nymph setups with style.) If you high stick a bit the 10 ft rod can pay real dividends, especially if you are height challenged. Mending is noticeably easier.

Look to Redington for reduced cost, good warranty, and performance.
As mike said, a bunch of different choices, to this.
Enjoy your search for rod happiness.

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Thanks Big, I was thinking about the Sage VXP in the 9ft 5 wt. Since 95% of my fishing is in the Eastern Sierras do you think a 9' 4 wt, 8'6" 4wt or 5wt would be a better choice to complement my 590 LL. Like I mentioned earlier my daughter will be using this rod when we fish together, which will be fairly often.

I'd really like to be able to have a rod for each style but have some cash limits. I did however check out the Reddington like you mentioned and saw their CPX Core Series 10' 5 wt for $299, which isn't too bad for a rod dedicated to nymphing. Noticed they also had a lifetime warranty which is great.
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Hi Aunt...sounds to me like a backup all purpose rod is what you're after and in the Owens Valley area a 9' 5wt is pretty much the rod of choice. You could certainly use a 4wt, but might want the five in the afternoon breezes.

The 5 wts will be a little strong and a little long in the Smokies, but they'll still work fine. I've fished from 2 wts to 5 wts in WVa and had great fun. If you can use a 4 wt in Ca, you'll enjoy it more than a 5 in the smokies. (my opinion )

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Aunt, I have an 8wt CPX and it works fine for me..
I also think a used, or new E-Bay VT2 5wt. (Redington) would be a good choice too. It was discontinued last year I think. So hunt around.
You notice Mike keeps mentioning the wind?
The LL is suitible for dry fly and mostly smaller waters, and not too much wind..
If you nymph alot, go for a longer stick. But I think accuracy goes away a little, throwing overhand casts on a 10 footer.
So just hunt for a rod stiff enough to fish indy, and/or maybe a streamer.
But not so stiff you can't throw a dry if your daughter and you both spot risers.
It's pretty easy now to sell a rod, if you don't like what you bought.
That LL is worth more now than when they sold it, so smile.
I reccomend a test drive on the water, ask everybody you meet to cast their choice for best rod. Mostly they will let you.
I say it's like wine, you need to test a bit to know what you like....

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Old 11-06-2011, 11:23 PM
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Jim, thanks for the suggestions. Is the Sage ZXL the closest to the LL I own? Also, was wondering what "fish indy" meant. Noticed you used that term twice.

Though I've owned my LL for quite a while, I never unfortunately got into fly fishing as much as I wanted to. Spent too many hours on the water with the spinning gear as the kids were growing up. Though I guess it paid off since my daughter definitely wants to learn to fly fish and also wants to start learning how to tie flies.
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