The North American Fly Fishing Forum
Go Back   The North American Fly Fishing Forum > Tackle Talk > Fly Rods

Fly Rods Post any comments or questions regarding fly rods...


Like Tree4Likes
  • 2 Post By MoscaPescador
  • 1 Post By wt bash
  • 1 Post By bass_man

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 09-13-2012, 08:59 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7
vyse is on a distinguished road
Default TFO TiCr X 5wt

First of all, I am very new to fly fishing, and I am still trying to learn about line weights and rod actions. I purchased a 9' TFO TiCr X 5wt rod last year, and I have been fishing with it a few times. I have a RIO 5wt Windcutter II line on the reel. I have read that this is a very stiff action rod. I am having difficulty casting the line, whether it be a 5', 7', 9', or 12' leader. I know my form is not perfect, however, after taking instruction at my local shop and working with the casting guru there, I still cannot seem to get a clean cast. I am not ready to buy a different rod. I would like to learn to cast this one. my question is this: would a different or perhaps heavier line help in getting the rod to flex and cast better? I have read about over and under lining rods, but I would like some opinions on what might work.
I fish still water and smaller creeks mostly, and occasionally go out to the South Platte near Denver.
Any suggestions on lines that might make a difference?

Thanks in advance!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 01:41 AM
MoscaPescador's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Northern California
Posts: 3,725
Blog Entries: 4
MoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond reputeMoscaPescador has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

Do this.

Go to your fly shop and ask if you could cast your rod with one of their demo reels lined with a 6 weight line. If you can't feel the load, try another demo reel with a 7 weight line. If you still can't feel the load, you have mechanics issues.

I think it is a combination of having too fast of a rod and your mechanics.

Dennis
mcnerney and gjcordray like this.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 08:48 AM
swirlchaser's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Parlin, NJ / Staten Island, NY
Posts: 2,058
swirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

I think Dennis gave you sound advise. The TiCr and X series is a stiff rod. It's a rocket launcher when you hit the sweet spot but it's not very forgiving to a new caster. They also like to be lined up one.
__________________
The best way to a fisherman's heart is through his fly.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 05:34 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7
vyse is on a distinguished road
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

Thank you both! Off to the shop tomorrow morning to try out your suggestions.

Will the type of line make that much of a difference (WF, DT, specialty tapers, etc.)?

Or will the weight of the line be more noticeable?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 05:52 PM
swirlchaser's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Parlin, NJ / Staten Island, NY
Posts: 2,058
swirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond reputeswirlchaser has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

a DT will definately cast differently than a WF line. Less distance but better roll casts and a lighter presentation. All other specialty lines are WF lines with varying tapers and won't make a tremendous difference at first.
__________________
The best way to a fisherman's heart is through his fly.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 06:28 PM
wt bash's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Akron Ohio (don't let that fool you)
Posts: 1,988
wt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant futurewt bash has a brilliant future
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

Shorten your stroke, instead of 10 and 2 try 11 and 1 with some speed. Add a haul or double haul. My first rod was broom stick stiff but after a while I figured it out and like Swirlchaser said when you find their sweet spot they fly. How much line are trying to cast? I noticed when I was learning that I had to have atleast 30' of line out (not including the leader) the feel the load. Then started to shorten up to see what I had to do differently.
mcnerney likes this.
__________________
Oh I live to be the ruler of life not a slave
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 09-14-2012, 10:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 7
vyse is on a distinguished road
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

I'm sure my mechanics are 99% of my problem, and I still don't really know what a good cast feels like. I know there are probably other rods that would be better for a beginner, but this it what I have right now, and I'd really like to learn with what I have. I will try getting more line out, I might not be getting enough out to load the rod it seems. Mostly I guess it just comes down to I need to practice and go fishing more often.

I will go to the shop and see about casting some other lines, I really hope I can feel some difference.

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions, I am trying to absorb everything I can get my hands on!

---------- Post added at 09:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:04 PM ----------

Swirlchaser, why will a DT give a lighter presentation? Even if it is a little heavier line?
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 09-15-2012, 07:17 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Houston
Posts: 296
pete a has a spectacular aura aboutpete a has a spectacular aura aboutpete a has a spectacular aura about
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

I totally agree with the suggestion of "over lining" the rod. My experience with many TFO rods is many are under spined. Meaning you can step up a line wt.

The heavier line will "slow" the rod a bit making beginning casing easier. Not sure what kind of fishing you do but my sons are 'fair weather" fly fisherman. For them I use 'bass bug" or "salt water" taper. These make short casts easy and fun.

Just got a used 6wt Axiom that is a great 7wt rod. Seems too stiff & un-responsive with 6wy but once with a 7wt it is great.

I suggest a cheap line and wear it out practice casting on the lawn. Just a few casts each evening will make the whole process much eaiser once on the water. You can get good "practice" qaulity lines on sale on-line in the $25-30 range.

Pete A.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 09-28-2012, 12:22 PM
bass_man's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Jackson,NJ
Posts: 47
bass_man is on a distinguished road
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

I have that same rod and love it use it more then my other rods. But when I was taking lessons with it my instructor could not even get the rod to cast right. She said to me "that rod just don't like that line" and said I should try "Rio Gold line" That line made a world of difference with that rod . Plus a lot of practice.
Good Luck and don't give up
Mike
mcnerney likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 09-30-2012, 08:12 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Boston, Mass.
Posts: 822
moucheur2003 is a jewel in the roughmoucheur2003 is a jewel in the roughmoucheur2003 is a jewel in the rough
Default Re: TFO TiCr X 5wt

Also try borrowing a lighter, more flexible rod and see if it isn't easier to get the feel of the casting mechanics. In general, it's harder for beginners to learn to cast with a stiff rod than a more medium-action rod. Once you've got the hang of it on a forgiving rod, it will be easier to transfer those skills to a more difficult one.

Even among stiff rods, though, the Ti Cr X is a brute. I have a 6 wt TiCrX and it's great for certain situations, especially distance casting into the wind and putting the wood to heavy, hard-fighting fish. But I've been casting fly rods for over 20 years, and even I usually fish it with a 7 or 8 line rather than a 6. It's not really an all-around tool for most fishing, which often requires more accuracy and delicacy than the TiCrX can deliver easily. You can use a Mack truck to run your routine Saturday morning errands, but a plain old Chevy sedan is going to do the job better. You might consider getting another, shorter 5 weight with a slower action for dry flies and smaller streams, and saving the TiCrx for windy days and big rivers. There are a lot of rods out there that won't put too big a hole in your wallet, especially if you can find a discontinued model on closeout.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which Rod? TFO TicR 7 wt? flats4life Saltwater Fly Fishing 10 07-10-2012 07:53 PM
TiCr-X or Pro II? Mnflyfish Fly Rods 4 06-05-2012 11:14 PM
TFO TiCr 4wt 4 pc penjak Fly Fishing Tackle Member Classifieds 4 03-14-2012 03:22 PM
TICR 8wt 9' 4pc lindmar General Discussion 4 10-14-2007 06:31 PM
TFO's TiCr wtex50 Fly Rods 0 06-13-2005 07:32 PM













All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
2005-2014 The North American Fly Fishing Forum. All rights reserved.