The North American Fly Fishing Forum


Go Back   The North American Fly Fishing Forum > Tackle Talk > Fly Rods

Fly Rods Post any comments or questions regarding fly rods...

Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By newby
  • 1 Post By rockriver

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 10:23 AM
mrfzx's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Berlin, PA
Posts: 578
mrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to behold
Default Just looking for an opinion

I just purchased a new Winston BII-t, 9 foot, 5wt, 4 piece. I usually do not purchase a rod I know very little about and have not handled, but the deal was too good to pass up. I understand it has a medium-fast action which is what I was looking for to use on smaller streams where I may only be using 25-30 feet on line. I know opinions are hard to come by on this forum.......but I was hoping someone would have some insight on this model.
__________________
Homer

There is no greater fan of fly fishing than the worm. ~Patrick F. McManus, Never Sniff a Gift Fish, 1979

Anger is like peeing in your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel it. ~Jeff Yalden

Remember: The winner gets to write the history books.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 11:57 AM
newby's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Coolidge, AZ
Posts: 437
newby is a glorious beacon of lightnewby is a glorious beacon of lightnewby is a glorious beacon of lightnewby is a glorious beacon of lightnewby is a glorious beacon of lightnewby is a glorious beacon of light
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

I don't have a TON of experience with Winstons but I have fished the 8' 3wt BIIt as well as cast an 8'6" BIIx 4wt, 9' 5wt BIIIx, and the 8'6" 4wt BIIt.

Now I am no expert by any means. I have always favored medium action rods. Here are my thoughts on the BIIt:

It is a FANASTIC rod, by far the best rod I have ever had the pleasure to pick up. I have tried out a Sage ONE at Bass Pro, but I just like a little slower rod for small streams.

I am currently saving up for a BIIt: it is everything I look for in a rod.

The thing that I immediately noticed and was amazed by was how light they are. The 8' 3wt is 2 1/8 oz. I've never tried the 5wt, but its just over 2.5 oz.

One thing about it is just how smooth it is. Those used to Winstons may not be surprised, but I just can't believe how good it feels to cast the thing. It lets you know what the line is doing at every moment. Even during a roll cast you can feel the line moving behind the rod, you can feel what the lines is doing as it comes back off the water. Roll casting with this rod is the best I have ever seen in terms of presentation and ease.

I'm not a great caster at all, but 40' with the 8' 3wt and a little further with the 8'6" 4wt were not problems at all. They are not made to wow you with a distance cast, but they are exceptional stream rods. They set down a fly lines as light as a feather. In the hands of an experienced caster (not me) they are truly sublime.

One thing about Winston's definition of action: they tend to describe them as faster than what most people would call them. The BIIIx is a fast rod, but not that fast. My TFO BVK is a lot faster. (I like the Winston better, though).

The BIIt, at least the ones I have cast, are not medium-fast action like Winston call them. The 8' 3wt bordered on Medium-slow, but is much more like a true medium action.

In one word the BIIt is sweet. I can't find one flaw with it. If you want a small stream rod then this is for you. You just have to slow down your casting stroke and pay attention to how it wants to be handled. If you treat it like a fast action then the cast collapses and you feel like there is no power.

This rod can even handle the odd nymph set up decently well, but it really excels as a dry fly rod. I am saving up to purchase one. I can not stop thinking about it. It is like it was built for me. And yes, it really is that good.

So if you like a more medium action rod with great finesse, superb roll casting, and unbeatable feel then you will be happy.
rockriver likes this.

Last edited by newby; 12-10-2012 at 03:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 12:45 PM
mrfzx's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Berlin, PA
Posts: 578
mrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to behold
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like exactly what I was looking for. I have several fast action 5 weights (BVK, TiCrX, and an Orvis T3 Tip flex) but wanted something a bit more delicate.
__________________
Homer

There is no greater fan of fly fishing than the worm. ~Patrick F. McManus, Never Sniff a Gift Fish, 1979

Anger is like peeing in your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel it. ~Jeff Yalden

Remember: The winner gets to write the history books.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 03:56 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan's U.P.
Posts: 1,087
rockriver is a name known to allrockriver is a name known to allrockriver is a name known to allrockriver is a name known to allrockriver is a name known to allrockriver is a name known to all
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

After reading that, I want one.
thewalker1013 likes this.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 05:30 PM
jaybo41's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: On a trout stream/Suburban Pittsburgh
Posts: 2,692
Blog Entries: 1
jaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond reputejaybo41 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

I don't own a BIIT but do have some experience with Winston. Currently in my lineup are a 380-3 WT, 486 BIIX and 7100 BIIX. I don't know what rods you have in your lineup but mine is heavy on Sage. So for comparison sake, Winston's Medium-Fast doesn't compare direct to Medium-Fast in the Sage rods I own. I find Sage to be faster. By comparison sake, I test cast a 490 Sage ZXL and a 490 BIIT and although I thought both were pretty progressive, the Sage was noticeably faster.

BIIT and it is a very smooth rod, as is the case with most Winstons I have cast. Rated Medium Fast by Winston, compared to my Sage rods, I'd have to say more along the lines of Medium. My local shop's owner is a Winston guy. I chatted him up about WT or BIIT and he owns both, but prefers the BIIT. They are similar tapers, but different and the Boron adds power to the rod as well as lightens it up. You might say based on what I was told the BIIT is a more modern build of the WT---which I consider SLOW, but very fun. Given the Boron vs Graphite, there will obviously be differences in the taper and action but it is of the lineage of WT as I understand it.

The Boron really lightens the rods, but gives you a stronger butt section. They are impeccably crafted and you'll get some of the best cork I've seen on production rods from major companies along with the finest components. The Greensticks are BEAUTIFUL.

My choice for small streams that I fish is usually a 386 or 486. Some REALLY small streams I'd go with a 380 or 470. Depending on your definition of small, a 590 might be too much rod(length), but if you are looking for a smooth rod that can handle dries, nymphs and small streamers you might have what you're looking for. Keep in mind, I am a gear junkie and love using different rods. There's no reason you can't make this work if you got a great deal on it and it had characteristics you're looking for.

The biggest thing I've found with my Winston rods--except maybe for the 7100--is that they take a slower, more deliberate stroke than the Sages I own.

Let us know once you get it what your thoughts are.
__________________
~*~Leave only your footprints~*~
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-10-2012, 08:08 PM
mrfzx's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Berlin, PA
Posts: 578
mrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to beholdmrfzx is a splendid one to behold
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

Thanks a bunch. I am litterally drooling to get it. I like the longer stick for nymphing to keep the line up off the water.
__________________
Homer

There is no greater fan of fly fishing than the worm. ~Patrick F. McManus, Never Sniff a Gift Fish, 1979

Anger is like peeing in your pants: everyone can see it, but only you can feel it. ~Jeff Yalden

Remember: The winner gets to write the history books.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-11-2012, 12:35 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 176
cletus will become famous soon enoughcletus will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Just looking for an opinion

I own several WTs as well as the 8' BIIT 4 wt. I fished the BIIT several weeks ago and it was awesome. As Jaybo41 and Newby said, you gotta slow down. Have fun with the new rod!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Your opinion? hawkeyeflyfisher Fly Reels 23 11-28-2012 11:41 AM
Opinion on this set up wilky Saltwater Fly Fishing 11 08-17-2012 11:43 AM
Need an opinion on fly lines oarfish General Discussion 2 07-07-2011 05:50 PM
opinion if I should keep this rod Tajue17 General Discussion 6 06-09-2010 05:27 AM
What's Your Opinion? HookEmHorns General Discussion 11 03-17-2009 04:49 PM













All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
2005-2014 The North American Fly Fishing Forum. All rights reserved.