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shotgunfly 03-26-2013 04:40 PM

Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
I received my TU lifetime member rod/reel (Sage one+Sage reel) and am currently selling it unused. Those funds are going toward a streamer specific trout rod. I have a 7wt Helios tip flex right now.

I've been considering the H2 6wt tip flex and the St. Croix bank robber. Kelly Galloup was recently at our local fly shop and his presentation on streamers and the rod got me debating.

So if anyone can offer any insight on either of those rods or another streamer rod it will be greatly appreciated.

I will give both a test cast here shortly but it's always nice to hear from others not selling me the rod.

Thanks!
C

dean_mt 03-26-2013 04:59 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
The streamer guys I know love the 7wt. What is it about the Helios that you think makes it not a great streamer rod?

mcnerney 03-26-2013 05:21 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dean_mt (Post 541031)
The streamer guys I know love the 7wt. What is it about the Helios that you think makes it not a great streamer rod?

I ask the same question! I would think your 7 wt Helios would be a great streamer rod, especially for targeting large trout.

ted4887 03-26-2013 05:48 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
Man, if a 7wt Helios isn't the ideal trout streamer rod I don't know what is!!! On the flip side, hit me up if you plan on selling it. :)

jaybo41 03-26-2013 05:52 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
What size streamers do you intend on throwing with this streamer specific rod and what size is the body of water you're fishing?

shotgunfly 03-26-2013 06:03 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
Good questions.

First, I think (wink wink) I like buying rods and manufacture more reasons to get them.

Second, I find the 7wt tip flex just a little much for the trout. I'd like to reserve the 7wt with it's fighting butt for carp and similar sized fish. My 5wts are mid or full flex.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaybo41 (Post 541052)
What size streamers do you intend on throwing with this streamer specific rod and what size is the body of water you're fishing?

6,4,2 some with lead eyes, lead, fur etc... Would like to tie up some articulated streamers but haven't and have never fished them. Sections of the spring creeks I fish vary and the Shenandoah river is the largest I'd fish and where I'd go for bass/carp.

mcnerney 03-26-2013 06:33 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shotgunfly (Post 541054)
Good questions.

First, I think (wink wink) I like buying rods and manufacture more reasons to get them.

Second, I find the 7wt tip flex just a little much for the trout. I'd like to reserve the 7wt with it's fighting butt for carp and similar sized fish. My 5wts are mid or full flex.

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6,4,2 some with lead eyes, lead, fur etc... Would like to tie up some articulated streamers but haven't and have never fished them. Sections of the spring creeks I fish vary and the Shenandoah river is the largest I'd fish and where I'd go for bass/carp.

Depending on the size of trout you are targeting I can see where the 7 wt might be too much rod. A couple years ago I fished the Missouri river in the spring with a 7 wt z-axis (my primary streamer rod), it did ok, but the next year I took a Helios 8 wt as we were targeting some really big strong trout in some fast chutes. The year before the big boys were breaking 2x tippet and straighten size 8 hooks.

smarty140 03-26-2013 07:42 PM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
A friend of mine that I fish with quite a bit has a Bank Robber and seems to really like it. I've only casted it a couple times, (afraid I'd like it too much and have to get one too!) but it seems like a very good rod. We fished big Galloup-type streamers on the Wind River in Wyoming last fall and he was getting some good distance and landed some really nice fish.
ryan

sweetandsalt 03-27-2013 08:35 AM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
I only cast the Bank Robber, not fished it. But wow, it is one heck of a potent rod! My concern is that it might be too fast action for one who prefers moderate flexing rods. It is a LOT more rod than H1 in terms of casting big uglies. It would be near the top of my list as a streamer specialty rod.

moucheur2003 03-27-2013 10:53 AM

Re: Recommendations, thoughts on a streamer specific trout rod
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shotgunfly (Post 541054)

Second, I find the 7wt tip flex just a little much for the trout.

Well, that certainly seems to suggest trying the 6 or 5 weight H2 instead for starters. And the H2 design is reportedly stronger in the butt than the original Helios, which should help its streamer performance too.

Alternatively, a Loomis 9' 6 weight (whether IMX, GLX, StreamDance or NRX) might be just the ticket. Loomis's designer Steve Rajeff is one of the pioneers of the strong butt and midsection with a sensitive tip. Or perhaps the Hardy Zenith in a 6 weight, since the 5 has gotten such good reviews.

Other stout 6 weights might include the Loomis Max GLX and Sage One, or at lower prices the TFO TiCrX, TFO Axiom, and (now-discontinued) Redington CPX, but you might find them even more brutish than your Helios 7 weight.

A closeout (if you can still find one) or gently used Sage Z-Axis or Orvis Hydros tip-flex in a 6 weight might be other options that would be easier on the wallet.

(PS: I was looking for the exact same kind of rod a year ago -- a 9x6 for streamers, wind, and big water -- and after trying Winston, Scott, Sage and TFO I liked the (original) Helios best, but that was before the H2 came out. Did not have a chance to compare the Zenith or any Loomises. I ended up buying a Hydros rather than a Helios, because they were built on the same blank as the Helios and had been recently discontinued, so they were being blown out at low prices. I might have liked a Zenith or Loomis better if I had tried one, but I liked the Hydros enough that I couldn't justify the extra cost.)


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