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Old 04-17-2013, 11:58 AM
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They do not cheat you out of a rod tube. They charge you only for the rod,,,and in the event you have travel cases as lots of us do,,,and store you rods in them with reel attached,,,you do not have to (and this is nice) pay for one more rod tube you dont really need. The round rod tubes,,aren't so important to everyone,,I'd about as soon all rod manufacturers included a modestly priced travel case (for rod AND reel mounted) But, again, I'ts not a big deal for me to just order one. It come's down to this,,they give YOU the option of what tube/case YOU wish to store it in. Not a bad idea I think.

If they included a simple round rod tube you'd pay 25-40 dollars more for the rod.
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Old 04-17-2013, 12:25 PM
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OSOK,,,I also wish to say,,I didn't mean this as a lecture at you. I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

I just feel that even with the other rod co's we are still paying for that rod tube.

Did not mean to come across as 'preachy' at ya pard. Hope there is no hard feelings.

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The really interesting thing here is that I've listened to two separate Itinerant Angler podcasts (several years apart) on which Rick Pope is emphatic that TFO does not want to enter the high end market--that they are committed to making only affordable, but high quality, fly rods.

I wonder what changed?

I also wonder if it is a good idea. If TFO starts trying to keep up with the Joneses, so to speak, do they stay the same business? At this point, a TFO rod, no matter what model, is pretty much guaranteed to be high on the bang-for-your-buck scale. Is that going to stay true after they start selling ~$550 rods?

Time will tell, I suppose...
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I agree. Having a 'custom shop' is kewl though,,as long as they do not forsake their mid level line up. They've put good rods in the hands of fishermen of modest means. I too, hope they do not forsake that. I only have one TFO,,a BVK 5wt,,,but I think its a good rod for a fast rod. That's my small mouth bass rod..and as soon as Im over this surgery and doc clears me good to go, the bass will have to feed at their own peril ! I'll be letting ya'll know of how it tosses bigger flies and streamers and such. But to the point...I wouldn't have paid 500 dollars for a river rod but half that I could justify.

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The really interesting thing here is that I've listened to two separate Itinerant Angler podcasts (several years apart) on which Rick Pope is emphatic that TFO does not want to enter the high end market--that they are committed to making only affordable, but high quality, fly rods.

I wonder what changed?

I also wonder if it is a good idea. If TFO starts trying to keep up with the Joneses, so to speak, do they stay the same business? At this point, a TFO rod, no matter what model, is pretty much guaranteed to be high on the bang-for-your-buck scale. Is that going to stay true after they start selling ~$550 rods?

Time will tell, I suppose...
With some rods going for close to $1000.00 maybe $550.00 isn't considered "High End" anymore . I wouldn't expect them to get enough custom work to justify letting the rest of the business change.
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A few points...kudos to you guys for avoiding a degenerating tone to this thread, well done gentlemen. Asian made Cordura covered PVC rod tubes cost the US marketer of off-shore built rods VERY little and, whether you use them or not (I store clean, dry rods in their tube but use a multi-rod case afield), all fly rods should come with a protective tube. If anyones' concern is that, by including a tube, TFO's reasonable pricing will escalate; keep in mind that a substantial component of their current pricing is there rapid, oft used, unconditional warranty. My concern as a frequent fly rod buyer who has three TFO rods in our house hold quiver, is that by admitting that to get optimal performance out of a popular model, it needs to be custom selected, "blueprinted", suggests a lapse in quality control at the production site level. If Sage, Scott, Loomis, Orvis, etc. discover a minor blank flaw during pre-assembly inspection, I am told they destroy the blank rather than passing it on to the unsuspecting angler. Errors do occur though and I'll pay extra to not be the recipient of invisibly flawed fly rods by relying on not needing a custom selected version.
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With some rods going for close to $1000.00 maybe $550.00 isn't considered "High End" anymore . I wouldn't expect them to get enough custom work to justify letting the rest of the business change.
I understand your initial point, but any rod over $500 is high end to me. I used the term "high-ish end" in a previous post.

Regarding your second point, it's not just about how many custom rods are sold. At this stage, instead of being able to claim their rods are on or near par with higher priced models (as they've done since the company's inception), now they've admitted that their rods have flaws, but they sell them anyway.

Going back to the interviews with Rick Pope that I listened to, he was effusive in his praise of their Korean factory. He has claimed, since they are the only rods built at this factory, that their quality control is as good as any company's.

So why do their blanks need to be selected and "blueprinted" now?

*I really don't know what blueprinting is, so maybe I am missing something*

TFO built their business on word of mouth--not advertising. I'm not sure how that will work when someone says to you "You should try a TFO rod. They're awesome!" Then you do a quick Google search and find out that they reserve their quality blanks for "blueprinting" and fancy cork.

I don't know what I think about this move, nor how it will turn out, but I think it is a significant event in the fly rod industry. TFO used to be adamant that they were trying to grow the sport by providing entry level (and other) fly fisherman a quality product at an affordable price.

What has changed?
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