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Old 06-01-2013, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: 2013 5-Weight Shootout

I think its hilarious when anyone says "_____ is the best rod on the market!" There is NO best rod on the market. Every fisherman is different, and we all have different tendencies within our casting strokes, each person has thier own "best rod on the market". Yours may be a $800 sage one and mine might be a $400 orvis access. Also, if a rod scores poorly on the yellowstone shootout, does that make it a terrible stick? The guys over at yellowstone angler have made it abundantly clear that in order for a rod to score at the top, it must be a fast action rod with a soft tip, so in reality its a biased shootout. Rods that flex lower down the rod blank with stiffer tips score poorly in the rankings, but this doesn't make them bad rods. My favorite 5 weight is easily the sage vxp, it fits my casting stroke well and I don't feel like the rod is doing all the work for me, such was the case when I owned a loomis NRX 5 weight, it threw a perfect cast everytime without fail, but for me it made casting too easy and felt souless. For me it took the fun, the challenge, and tradition out of fly-casting, therefore I don't like it. However, the NRX placed far ahead of the vxp in yellowstone 2011 shootout. What that should tell you is; yellowstone angler's opinions may not match your own.

When reading these shootouts do yourself a favor and hold them at arms length, they can serve as a decent guideline but ultimately you'll need to get various rods in your hands and try them for yourself. Fishing, being a very personal art, means you'll need to decide which is best for you, letting yellowstone angler decide for you could result in an "unhappy" rod purchase. There are a lot of good rods on the market, each have thier own set of pros and cons. Avoid listening to some guy who says, he knows which is the best rod on the market, chances are they need more experience trying out various models. Or they simply are not a seasoned fly-angler. Either way, that's my two cents love it or hate it fellas.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:35 AM
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Regarding Sage ONE I quote; "Good, but not great. Heads up, the NRX LP, the Zenith, Orvis Helios 2 and the Hardy Zenith were a lot better. The One does have good power at long range but it seems too parabolic in action to me to really let you jam the power in precisely. It just needs a quicker, more flexible tip." Lets see, the Zenith as well as the Hardy Zenith were better and it needs a quicker, softer tip. Huuh? I own this rod as well as the Zenith and the Hardy Zenith (sorry, couldn't help myself) and I fish the Zenith when I wand a sweet, softer tipped #5 for doing lots of enjoyable casting and I select ONE when I want the most responsive, quickest recovering tip for the ultimate in technical presentation. They compliment one another very nicely but, hey, this is my subjective opinion. Oh, and I fish a straight #5 line on both of them not a 5.5 and certainly no 6.
Sweet, I agree with your sentiment. I cannot figure out how you make a tip softer and quicker at the same time.

There seems to be a little ONE bashing going on. I own a one as well as a Sage VPS (old RPL blank), and a 590 Sage SP. I own a Hardy Zenith in another 486, but I have casted the One, BIIIX, H2 and others together. I am a huge fan of the Zenith and I like the BIIIX as well.

I did not buy my ONE. I won it in a raffle. The first time I fished it I did not know how much I did or did not like it. One day, I got out my VPS, SP and One and casted them side by side. Their was a notable difference in each rod in its castability. It was amazing to see the improvement in each generation of rods. The One is so different from other rods I can see why some people do not like it. Before I started fishing it I even considered selling it to get a Zenith.

Since I have moved to Idaho, I have been using the one a lot and I am amazed at how awesome this rod it is to fish. It exectutes close casts and long casts with ease and, of course, nothing throws curve casts and curve mends like a Sage. More than anything it bends deep and fully when fighting a fish.

What I am amazed at is that the butt section never feels stiff on close casts. I think that is what the taper design of the One did. It does not have a soft tip like other rods at the same time it does not have a massive or unfeeling butt section either. That is different from any other kind of rod that I know. I actually like it. Just my .02 worth.
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[QUOTE=utah daveii;563122] Since I have moved to Idaho, I have been using the one a lot and I am amazed at how awesome this rod it is to fish. It exectutes close casts and long casts with ease and, of course, nothing throws curve casts and curve mends like a Sage. More than anything it bends deep and fully when fighting a fish. QUOTE]

What you have done is gotten to know your ONE. I too loved my Z-Axis predecessor to ONE and when I got the ONE I was uncertain it was a correct step in the ever evolutionary direction. I compared on the lawn, tested different lines (see my recent thread on ONE/line match-ups) and then began to fish it. It was not overnight but ONE won me over and the more I fish it (3 years now) the more I realize its brilliance. You are correct, it is not a stiff rod, it is a fast recovering rod with incomparable sensitivity in the same sense as a great sports car's taughtly tuned suspension yields remarkable and precise "road feel" this rod communicates your every input to what you intend the line to to. Not every angler needs this nor puts the time into developing the techniques this rod reveals its exacting capabilities in executing. This is very much a focused, thinking anglers' technical presentation rod and less a feeling anglers' joy to cast all day rod. And shortly Sage will introduce yet another technical marvel...
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[QUOTE=sweetandsalt;563129 Not every angler needs this nor puts the time into developing the techniques this rod reveals its exacting capabilities in executing. This is very much a focused, thinking anglers' technical presentation rod and less a feeling anglers' joy to cast all day rod. And shortly Sage will introduce yet another technical marvel...[/QUOTE]

That is so true. I was throwing curve mends yesterday and the ONE was executing them flawlessly. It is also true that very few people put the time and effort into figuring out how to get the most out of a rod. Learning truly how to cast makes a huge difference in fishing.
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